M2TW Charges

[Caerfanan]

Brilliant! A unit of either Supermen or extreme weight-lifters! That'd be a sight...100 hobilars with bulging muscles charge within 10 metres of a hostile unit of chivalric men-at-arms, suddenly dismount, pick their steeds up onto their shoulders and hurl them into the enemy soldiers, knocking them all down.

I wonder if the horses will be armour piercing (or armour crushing to be more precise...)



Argh.

[Lord Cazaric]

Of course, they will have the same effect as a catapult!

[Caerfanan]

Of course, they will have the same effect as a catapult!

Horses = Siege weapons?

[Lord Cazaric]

Of course. They are certaintly not hand-to-hand, and as soon as they are lifted off their feet by the superhuman soldiers, they no longer count as cavalry, but are ranged!

That leaves archery and siege engines. And except for one of these superhuman soldiers (Ali ibn Ali ibn Ali by name), the soldiers don't fire them from bows.

Therefore, except for Ali ibn Ali ibn Ali's steed (steed? Arrow?), they must be siege weapons, as they are thrown like rocks.

[Xehh II]

You are strange, why would it be like a seige weapon?
I think it'd be more like those funny little javelin guys but without javelins.
Because they would be short range, AP and they are thrown.

[Spajus]

Cazaric, I fear you are being ridiculous.

You are attempting to define 'horses' as seige weapons? p'shaw! Your logic is flawed. You have stated the exception which proves the rule, in Ali ibn ali ibn Ali, and his bow-drawn-horse. However, the Ballistae, an acknowledged seige weapon, is also essentially a giant bow.

Faced with such hasty logic, how can you expect anyone to take what you are saying seriously? (A pity, because I would tend to agree - artillery!)

By the way, when's Cazaric-mod coming out?

[Caerfanan]

You are strange, why would it be like a seige weapon?
I think it'd be more like those funny little javelin guys but without javelins.
Because they would be short range, AP and they are thrown.

Soooooo....

The horse not being efficient against a wall (I guess), it shouldn't be a siege weapon, that's right. You have a point here Xehh II!

It could be the non explosive equivalent of the Naphta throwers, though, the guy having a chance of being crushed by his own missile, and the missile being capable of killing several people at once. what do you guys think?

So the unit size should be 12, showing the difficulty to train the horse-thrower.

(and now I remember Xehh II asking a simple question about charging in M2TW, my, where are we!)

[Xehh II]

Soooooo....

The horse not being efficient against a wall (I guess), it shouldn't be a siege weapon, that's right. You have a point here Xehh II!

It could be the non explosive equivalent of the Naphta throwers, though, the guy having a chance of being crushed by his own missile, and the missile being capable of killing several people at once. what do you guys think?

So the unit size should be 12, showing the difficulty to train the horse-thrower.

(and now I remember Xehh II asking a simple question about charging in M2TW, my, where are we!)

Yes! You are more right than me, they would be more like non-explosive Naptha Throwers.

[Lord Cazaric]

What mod? If you're referring to Hellas: Total War and Steppe: Total War, they are simply ideas for the next games, or if someone would like to, as mods for the original Medieval Total War - it's the only one I have!

And Caerfanan, I'd advise you to cut down the number of soldiers in a horse-ranged unit to 5. They are VERY hard to find. Especially ones such as Ali ibn Ali ibn Ali (whose name, for those of you who don't know, means Ali son of Ali son of Ali).

Thank you for acknowledging my insanity. It is why I am still a junior member.

[Caerfanan]

And Caerfanan, I'd advise you to cut down the number of soldiers in a horse-ranged unit to 5. They are VERY hard to find. Especially ones such as Ali ibn Ali ibn Ali (whose name, for those of you who don't know, means Ali son of Ali son of Ali).

Mmmmm.

So we could have two types of units:

- one of a size of 5 with Ali ibn Ali ibn alis as launchers, and armored horses. The Alis having huge bows acting as ballistas, this would be artillery.
- one with a size of 12, being the non explosive naphta throwers sometimes dying under their own horses (% when tired?)

Thank you for acknowledging my insanity. It is why I am still a junior member.

You're not insane. You're... creative?

[Lord Cazaric]

They are not called Ali ibn Ali ibn Alis - Ali ibn Ali ibn Ali is just the name of the greatest of them all. Perhaps his unit could have +10 valour! *grins*

And creative isn't the best word to describe me...insane sums it up better methinks.

[Caerfanan]

They are not called Ali ibn Ali ibn Alis - Ali ibn Ali ibn Ali is just the name of the greatest of them all. Perhaps his unit could have +10 valour! *grins*

And creative isn't the best word to describe me...insane sums it up better methinks.

Ok then, insane you are... Under oxygened brain due to horse launching training, Ali?

[Lord Cazaric]

Insane?! Are you implying that I'm not entirely there?! How dare you?! You should be ashamed of yourself! Insulting an innocent bystander...

[Boyar Karhunkynsi]

If you're going to go into horse throwing units, you have to count them as a short ranged catapult with area damage that lasts around 30 seconds 'til the horses stop kicking. It's quite a complex matter, actually, and you'd just have to make a few textures, add a unit, etcetera.

Say, a horse is around 15 hands on average, but if you really want to squish someone, use a Shire Horse, the biggest in the world. The biggest Shire horse even was 220cm tall and weighed 1.5 tonnes!

Ohhhhhhh..... Ahhhhhhhh!

[Lord Cazaric]

The biggest of them all are the Shire horses specifically bred by Ali ibn Ali ibn Ali, a Syrian horse-archer. And I don't mean a mounted archer...

[Caerfanan]

Insane?! Are you implying that I'm not entirely there?! How dare you?! You should be ashamed of yourself! Insulting an innocent bystander...

Well, I tried to have you considered creative, but you wanted insane! Horses have a wide destructive action and can hurt the innocent bystanders!!!

[Caerfanan]

If you're going to go into horse throwing units, you have to count them as a short ranged catapult with area damage that lasts around 30 seconds 'til the horses stop kicking. It's quite a complex matter, actually, and you'd just have to make a few textures, add a unit, etcetera.

Say, a horse is around 15 hands on average, but if you really want to squish someone, use a Shire Horse, the biggest in the world. The biggest Shire horse even was 220cm tall and weighed 1.5 tonnes!

Ohhhhhhh..... Ahhhhhhhh!

Yeah, I've heard of those huge beasts!!! My, 220cm, that's HUGE....
(and yes, ALi ibn Ali ibn Ali's special arrow!!!)

And just imagine the fire ammunitions... Flaming horses.... Outch...

[Lord Cazaric]

Ouch for the victims or ouch for the horses? I imagine that could be rather painful for both parties...

[Xehh II]

Ha Ha Ha...Flaming horses would be funny, not for the horses but still it would be funny, what about flaming camels?

[Caerfanan]

Ha Ha Ha...Flaming horses would be funny, not for the horses but still it would be funny, what about flaming camels?

Augh!!! Flaming Shire Camels!!! Noooooooooo!!!

(err, by the way, did you manage a cavalry charge in M2TW?)

[Xehh II]

(err, by the way, did you manage a cavalry charge in M2TW?)

Yes my people now charge with goodness.

[Lord Cazaric]

Hehe we sorta got off topic there...

Back to the off-topic theme!

Flaming camels...I imagine Ali ibn Ali ibn Ali, being from Syria, would use them quite often.

Perhaps his son, Ali ibn Ali ibn Ali ibn Ali, will one day use them too.

[seireikhaan]

Congrats on your promotion Lord Cazaric. My, one hundred posts? That took a while.

[Raz]

Well, a flaming horse would be good, but how one would light it on fire without burning themselves... hmm.

After all, you've got to pick it up with your bare hands, unless you could throw the horse then jump up into the air and light it on fire mid-flight. Now that'd be a plan. Also, I suppose these super soldiers could also mount on a donkey or something, and 'pepper' the enemy with horses from horseback then quickly retreat behind friendly lines. Right? You know, call it Mounted [Insert Unit Name].

[Lord Cazaric]

Thank you, greaterkhaan! It is good to be a member, even if it feels no different from being a junior one!

You could call them Mounted Horse Throwers, or, in Ali ibn Ali ibn Ali's case, Mounted Horse Archers.

[Xehh II]

Wahhhhhhhhhh

[Caerfanan]

Thank you, greaterkhaan! It is good to be a member, even if it feels no different from being a junior one!

You could call them Mounted Horse Throwers, or, in Ali ibn Ali ibn Ali's case, Mounted Horse Archers.

Mounted flaming quadrupede throwers, with the "camel" special ammunition, which scares horses!!!



Well who wouldn't be scared by the sight of a flaming camel yelling its lungs out and falling right on you?

[Lord Cazaric]

I wouldn't. Well, at least not when it hit me. I would be scared when it was flying at me, but when it hit me, I imagine I'd be thinking....


...Oh, bugger.

[Caerfanan]

I wouldn't. Well, at least not when it hit me. I would be scared when it was flying at me, but when it hit me, I imagine I'd be thinking....


...Oh, bugger.

You wouldn't be afraid? this definitely proves that you're not a horse, then!

[Lord Cazaric]

There was doubt? That's depressing...