Suggestions for v0.81

**Kepper** · 03-02-2007, 23:13

Can you make some sage the new recruitment mic of some faction like Baktria use the same Makedonia they masthe use the mic forme Seleukid Empire after the are a Seleukid Empire satrap, and Ptolemaic Empire , Saba they close une and another. Sorry about words

**Teleklos Archelaou** · 03-03-2007, 00:48

Proximity alone isn't what determines who shares MIC complexes - but some factions that are much like other ones might share theirs - like the gauls, or ptolemies and seleukids. We won't be changing that pattern up at this point as it was pretty complex just to get it working like it is now.

**Elminster12** · 03-06-2007, 04:20

Just a query....should Thraikoi Peltastai have 11 melee attack and 20 defense? By comparison, Pantodopoi Phalangitai have 11 attack but 15 defense. Just wondering....it seems a little much for a skirmisher...

**antisocialmunky** · 03-06-2007, 23:13

Remember, that defense is composed of three actual values. That and Pantodopoi Phalangitai kinda suck.

**Conqueror** · 03-07-2007, 00:17

Don't you dare to speak ill of Pantodapoi Phalangitai

It's one of the most useful units in the game IMO. The only phalanx you can actually afford to use as eastern greek faction in the early years. And it gets the job done. In fact, I just witnessed amazing performance by these guys in game. Was besieging Side from two sides, because I couldn't merge my armies. The garrison sallied out and of corse they attacked the small captain-led part of my forces instead of the bigger general-led part. So no benefit out of my general's traits. What's far worse though was that I accidentally allowed AI control over my reinforcements, which was most of my troops, leaving me only 3 units led by a captain

Long story short, those units were predictably doomed, unable to link up with the braindead reinforcements coming from the other side of the map. Couldn't hope to withdraw them either as the enemy started too close (no town walls) and their cavalry would have easily catched my all-infantry units. So I set them up for a last stand. Two of the three units (including my captain who got killed) were overwhelmed but one of them, a Pantodapoi Phalangitai, refused to rout. I could hardly believe my eyes, but despite their commander dead, their friends routed and themselves being surrounded, exhausted and taking a charge in the rear (admittedly, by an almost completely decimated cavalry unit) they just kept on fighting! Eventually they were destroyed, as they were just hopelessly outnumbered. But they made the enemy pay a massive price in blood and sweat for taking them out. If it were possible to make our own unique buildings in EB, I'd be erecting a monument in the honor of that unit.

Sorry for this off-topicness but someone has to stand for the poor levies who so courageously fight and die for the petty ambitions of their warmongering tyrants

**MarcusAureliusAntoninus** · 03-07-2007, 01:05

Originally Posted by Conqueror

Was besieging Side from two sides, because I couldn't merge my armies. The garrison sallied out and of corse they attacked the small captain-led part of my forces instead of the bigger general-led part. So no benefit out of my general's traits.

That's why you only besiege a town with one army. Have the other armies come up to the town but not attack it. They will reinforce a battle, but they are completely safe from the army inside the city. Plus, since you can't use siege equiptment made by multiple armies, there is no real point.

**Teleklos Archelaou** · 03-07-2007, 01:31

For the first time a day or two ago I had the besiegers sally out and attack a secondary group I had sieging the town (with no equipment). My primary army showed up as reinforcements, carrying their seige equipment across the red line - first time I'd ever seen that happen.

**antisocialmunky** · 03-07-2007, 15:59

Originally Posted by Conqueror

Don't you dare to speak ill of Pantodapoi Phalangitai

It's one of the most useful units in the game IMO.

No worries mate, we've all had those experiences where one unit bravely sacrefices itself to save our butts and goes out in a blaze of glory.

I don't really doubt their usefulness but in the grand scheme of things, I don't play the big hellenic states and usually end up making a sport of killing the hordes of them Big Grey hires. Good to know that these guys have a hero complex though if I finally start a Mak game.

**Elminster12** · 03-09-2007, 01:28

Originally Posted by antisocialmunky

No worries mate, we've all had those experiences where one unit bravely sacrefices itself to save our butts and goes out in a blaze of glory.

I don't really doubt their usefulness but in the grand scheme of things, I don't play the big hellenic states and usually end up making a sport of killing the hordes of them Big Grey hires. Good to know that these guys have a hero complex though if I finally start a Mak game.

The Baktrian ones suck though...fricking cowards! I swear it had nothing at all to do with them being captain-led and flanked! Seriously....

Ok, before I get warned for spam....any way to move one of the starting Getai armies closer to Kallatis? The Getai still seem to have trouble getting themselves going...maybe give them a spy around Sarmiszegethusa or move that northern army closer to Kallatis and see if the AI can add two and two once in a while? Because I'm at a loss with them...every other faction seems to be able to expand most of the time...