v 0.81 bugs

[mcantu]

I think I may have figured out why the AI spams javelin units for some factions!!

The descr_strat file helps control AI building and recruiting personalities (fortified henry, balanced ceasar, etc). From reading posts from CA regarding game mechanics I gather that descr_strat uses what is listed under 'class' in the EDU for recruiting as described in this post...

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...62&postcount=1

Now in EB, javelin units have 'skirmish' listed for their class. AFAIK, the only valid class options are light, heavy, missile or spearmen. It looks like the AI may think its recruiting infantry because the class tag doesnt have 'missile' listed for those units. This also explains why ctrl-I will select javelin units as well as infantry and why javelin units are positioned as infantry when using the group formations buttons. I have changed the class to missile and it seems to take care of these two issues.

Is there something I'm missing regarding this?

[mcantu]

I'm not sure if this is the correct thread to keep posting on this issue. If not please move...

I've run a test campaign to check my theory in the previous post and the results are promising.

I changed the class of all javelin units from skirmish to missile and AI armies are no longer spamming javelin units. KH and the Maks have always given me problems with that and its no longer happening.

The Romanii are also making very well balanced stacks! No more all Italian Allies/Triarri armies.

Also, when using the group formation buttons the units are now properly placed as missile units and not infantry

[Teleklos Archelaou]

Ah, here it is. I hope you get an answer on this within a day or two here mcantu. Thanks for your interest mate!

[mcantu]

It looks like many (all?) javelin armed cavalry units also have the invalid 'skirmish' tag. I have changed them all to 'missile' and am testing to see what effects it has

[Thaatu]

Use caution with that, for most javelin armed cavalry units are in fact light cavalry, not skirmishers. You don't want Numidian or Thracian cavalry start acting like horse archers.

[madmatg]

i looked for this problem on the threads and couldnt find it, but i would have thought someone wuold have noticed by now so maybe its jsut my computer...

when i am defending Memphis in siege i noticed that "THE SKY IS FALLING THE SKY IS FALLING!

[Kurulham]

A couple miscellaneous problems; MAA told me I should post these here.

* The druidic training triggers - the ones that increment GallicDruid and CasseDruid - are all kinds of messed up. They're designed to have a certain percent chance of incrementing every turn the character stays in a settlement with a temple of fun or governors, with a higher chance if the character has higher vit and int. Unfortunately the triggers to check for int and vit levels are... well, messed up (sometimes they have things like requiring int to be both above 4 and below 3, for example). Also, Casse characters of ethnicities that can start with the training trait (Aedui and Biturige) are set up to start with the GallicDruid trait instead of CasseDruid, which may be intended as I believe both those ethnicities are Gallic. The increment sections are sort of tangled; here's my cleaned-up version of the GallicDruid fun temple section (all four sections are functionally identical, down to the problems).

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

;------------------------------------------
Trigger GallicDruid_fun_temple_low_int_vit
    WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd
    Condition EndedInSettlement
          and RemainingMPPercentage > 75
          and Trait Celtic = 1
          and not FactionType britons
          and SettlementBuildingExists >= temple_of_fun_temple
          and AgentType = family
          and Trait NaturalIntelligence < 3
          and Trait NaturalEnergy < 3

    Affects GallicDruid  1  Chance  5

;------------------------------------------
Trigger GallicDruid_fun_temple_low_int_mid_vit
    WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd
    Condition EndedInSettlement
          and RemainingMPPercentage > 75
          and Trait Celtic = 1
          and not FactionType britons
          and SettlementBuildingExists >= temple_of_fun_temple
          and AgentType = family
          and Trait NaturalIntelligence < 3
          and Trait NaturalEnergy > 2
          and Trait NaturalEnergy < 5

    Affects GallicDruid  1  Chance  8

;------------------------------------------
Trigger GallicDruid_fun_temple_low_int_high_vit
    WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd
    Condition EndedInSettlement
          and RemainingMPPercentage > 75
          and Trait Celtic = 1
          and not FactionType britons
          and SettlementBuildingExists >= temple_of_fun_temple
          and AgentType = family
          and Trait NaturalIntelligence < 3
          and Trait NaturalEnergy > 4

    Affects GallicDruid  1  Chance  10

;------------------------------------------
Trigger GallicDruid_fun_temple_mid_int_low_vit
    WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd
    Condition EndedInSettlement
          and RemainingMPPercentage > 75
          and Trait Celtic = 1
          and not FactionType britons
          and SettlementBuildingExists >= temple_of_fun_temple
          and AgentType = family
          and Trait NaturalIntelligence > 2
          and Trait NaturalIntelligence < 5
          and Trait NaturalEnergy < 3

    Affects GallicDruid  1  Chance  8

;------------------------------------------
Trigger GallicDruid_fun_temple_mid_int_mid_vit
    WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd
    Condition EndedInSettlement
          and RemainingMPPercentage > 75
          and Trait Celtic = 1
          and not FactionType britons
          and SettlementBuildingExists >= temple_of_fun_temple
          and AgentType = family
          and Trait NaturalIntelligence > 2
          and Trait NaturalIntelligence < 5
          and Trait NaturalEnergy > 2
          and Trait NaturalEnergy < 5

    Affects GallicDruid  1  Chance  10

;------------------------------------------
Trigger GallicDruid_fun_temple_mid_int_high_vit
    WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd
    Condition EndedInSettlement
          and RemainingMPPercentage > 75
          and Trait Celtic = 1
          and not FactionType britons
          and SettlementBuildingExists >= temple_of_fun_temple
          and AgentType = family
          and Trait NaturalIntelligence > 2
          and Trait NaturalIntelligence < 5
          and Trait NaturalEnergy > 4

    Affects GallicDruid  1  Chance  15

;------------------------------------------
Trigger GallicDruid_fun_temple_high_int_low_vit
    WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd
    Condition EndedInSettlement
          and RemainingMPPercentage > 75
          and Trait Celtic = 1
          and not FactionType britons
          and SettlementBuildingExists >= temple_of_fun_temple
          and AgentType = family
          and Trait NaturalIntelligence > 4
          and Trait NaturalEnergy < 3

    Affects GallicDruid  1  Chance  10

;------------------------------------------
Trigger GallicDruid_fun_temple_high_int_mid_vit
    WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd
    Condition EndedInSettlement
          and RemainingMPPercentage > 75
          and Trait Celtic = 1
          and not FactionType britons
          and SettlementBuildingExists >= temple_of_fun_temple
          and AgentType = family
          and Trait NaturalIntelligence > 4
          and Trait NaturalEnergy < 5
          and Trait NaturalEnergy > 2

    Affects GallicDruid  1  Chance  15

;------------------------------------------
Trigger GallicDruid_fun_temple_high_int_high_vit
    WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd
    Condition EndedInSettlement
          and RemainingMPPercentage > 75
          and Trait Celtic = 1
          and not FactionType britons
          and SettlementBuildingExists >= temple_of_fun_temple
          and AgentType = family
          and Trait NaturalIntelligence = 5
          and Trait NaturalEnergy = 5

    Affects GallicDruid  1  Chance  25

;------------------------------------------
Trigger GallicDruid_fun_temple_very_high_int_high_vit
    WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd
    Condition EndedInSettlement
          and RemainingMPPercentage > 75
          and Trait Celtic = 1
          and not FactionType britons
          and SettlementBuildingExists >= temple_of_fun_temple
          and AgentType = family
          and Trait NaturalIntelligence = 6
          and Trait NaturalEnergy = 5

    Affects GallicDruid  1  Chance  35

;------------------------------------------
Trigger GallicDruid_fun_temple_high_int_very_high_vit
    WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd
    Condition EndedInSettlement
          and RemainingMPPercentage > 75
          and Trait Celtic = 1
          and not FactionType britons
          and SettlementBuildingExists >= temple_of_fun_temple
          and AgentType = family
          and Trait NaturalIntelligence = 5
          and Trait NaturalEnergy = 6

    Affects GallicDruid  1  Chance  35

;------------------------------------------
Trigger GallicDruid_fun_temple_very_high_int_very_high_vit
    WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd
    Condition EndedInSettlement
          and RemainingMPPercentage > 75
          and Trait Celtic = 1
          and not FactionType britons
          and SettlementBuildingExists >= temple_of_fun_temple
          and AgentType = family
          and Trait NaturalIntelligence = 6
          and Trait NaturalEnergy = 6

    Affects GallicDruid  1  Chance  50

* The descriptions of the Dorkim Kdosim and Hoplitai Indohellenikoi say "traditional phalanx in the Spartan style" and "non-Makedonian phalanx", but they both have the phalanx attribute. Should probably be changed to pseudoshieldwall.

Further bulletins as events warrant.

[bovi]

Thanks, fixed the druid training. Someone else will probably know what to do with the phalanx units .

[Tellos Athenaios]

when i am defending Memphis in siege i noticed that "THE SKY IS FALLING THE SKY IS FALLING!

First of all, you're not some Celt from a Comic book are you?
Secondly: it's a known issue which has very, very little to do with EB and very, very much to do with RTW + Video Settings.

Happens with certain farmland as well.

[madmatg]

oh ok thanks tellos

[MarcusAureliusAntoninus]

Actually, the farmlands should be fixed, thanks to snevets.

[Tellos Athenaios]

But they aren't yet in the public release, are they?

[MarcusAureliusAntoninus]

But they aren't yet in the public release, are they?

It seems so long ago that happened, but I guess you are right, it probably isn't in the public release...