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    A very, very Senior Member Adrian II's Avatar
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    Nearly kicked the bucket last night. Not physically thank God, but M:TW-wise.

    I was happily turtling along in my Expert Sicilian GA campaign. The year was 1280. Apart from Sicily, Malta, Napels, Sardinia, Corsica and Genoa, I had about 25 countries spread in a crescent from Castile through Africa to Antioch, plus Ireland, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Finland and Muscovy.

    With all my Crusade goals fulfilled, I had over 1 million in the bank, a big well-balanced fleet, well-built provinces, a robust dynasty and a nice, tight high-tech army ready to strike at a moment's notice. The Mongols had come and gone (twice in fact, since they re-emerged in Lithuania) and it seemed that soon only the French would be left to oppose me. They had most of central Europe and a large chunk of Turkey.

    I was working on the philosophy that small is beautiful, so I had small (though fully upgraded) armies, lots of ships and only a handful of agents. This minimal mode seemed to work fine because I had the best of everything. I had conquered the Italian province of Genoa after killing their 4-star general with my 6-star assassin, attacking them with a hand-picked army that was geared precisely to the Italian army-composition, and forcing a ceasefire before the Pope got his skirts in a twist.

    Because of my minimal approach, I had no idea what was going on in the European mainland. I was not discouraged by the occasional message that the French had the largest armies. That was the whole idea, right? And they couldn't pin me down because of my naval superiority.

    Then I noticed that the French were going into attack mode and began moving troops and ships in readiness for a strike on several fronts. They had the typical AI-fleet that is no good for trade and only serves blocking purposes; and it was moving into all the right blocking positions in straits and channels.

    So I thought I would gamble and attack them first. The Pope was a long-standing ally and I hoped he would support me because of all I had done for the Church. I moved my fleet into all the right positions, too, and attacked the French fleet 'by surprise'. I sank a few, lost a few, the Pope kept his cool and merely cancelled his treaty with the French. I had the green light! So much for turn one.

    On the next turn however, the French unleashed this GIANT army, coming from the center of Europe and stretching all the way to Denmark and Muscovy. It was as if the whole of central Europe had been a clearinghouse for French six-star generals, chivalric sergeants, Culverins, trebuchets and fancy horses. Hard to believe that they could build this monster on a no-trade budget, but there you had it: at least 25.000 troops of all shades, all ready to go for my throat under loads of Jedi generals.

    It took me five turns and some horrendous defensive battles deep into the night, as well as some real strategic thinking and calculating with cold sweat on my brow, before I was safe again.

    And then the Hungarians, the weakest faction left on the board, killed the heirless French king and turned them all into rebels. Easy as that.

    Most of these rebel asses will be mine, but nonetheless... this was the first time in years that I was really strategically threatened by the AI and I feared I would get the game over' sign.

    Great game, M:TW.
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    Wow.

    Isn't that good to see something like this? Being thrilled for several hours, kind of wondering "how, how, how, bloody hell, how???". 'hope you could have some sleep, finally!

    I'm looking forward to see something like this.

    For now, I'm slowly climbing the scales of the ladder. Not to the top yet!

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    It was similar in the expert Danish campaign you advised me on Adrian (which I still need to see about transfering to my laptop, now where did I put those writable CDS). That campaign was the reverse, with the BYZ and the Alomonds having large armies until I decided to build up a military with new tech I had built (previously playing mostly defense). I later found out the opposite, after sweating with beating the Alomonds and then the Byz terminating much of my trade , I spanked the Byz in several provinces and found they had stretched themselves thin, though I am sure they have plenty of troops that have retreated before my expanding armies . Unfortunately, I am hardly 1 million to the good, more like close to going in the hole. But, MTW, gotta love it when the AI throws you for a loop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caerfanan
    Wow.

    Isn't that good to see something like this? Being thrilled for several hours, kind of wondering "how, how, how, bloody hell, how???". 'hope you could have some sleep, finally!

    I'm looking forward to see something like this.

    For now, I'm slowly climbing the scales of the ladder. Not to the top yet!
    Oh man, I went to bed and woke up an hour later with the remains of a dream about a fantasy general named Alexandrapolites, together with whom I planned to conquer the Crimea... D'oh..

    Yeah, isn't it great when a game doesn't bore you even after several years? I see others running and trying to catch up with the latest hype all the time -- you know, from Battlefield 1942 to Battlefield2 to Battlefield 2142, and on, and on -- and somehow they never seem satisfied with the game they have, they are always talking about the next one. I haven't even stopped talking about the last one, Shogun..
    The bloody trouble is we are only alive when we’re half dead trying to get a paragraph right. - Paul Scott

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adrian II
    Oh man, I went to bed and woke up an hour later with the remains of a dream about a fantasy general named Alexandrapolites, together with whom I planned to conquer the Crimea... D'oh..

    Yeah, isn't it great when a game doesn't bore you even after several years? I see others running and trying to catch up with the latest hype all the time -- you know, from Battlefield 1942 to Battlefield2 to Battlefield 2142, and on, and on -- and somehow they never seem satisfied with the game they have, they are always talking about the next one. I haven't even stopped talking about the last one, Shogun..
    Well, I think that we are condemned to see people walk in the streets and automatically imagine the best maneuver to flank them, looking at the best place to shoot arrows....

    I'm also the kind of guy who can play a very long time with one game. I played Civ III (with the conquests extension) for more than two years. I stopped only because I had MTW:VI installed.

    I'm going to a restaurant with two friends tonight. But I KNOW that a part of my brain will be pondering options about who to attack, and when, etc, etc...


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    Very cool, Adrian II. Yeah, it's campaigns like that that keep me coming back to this game. No matter how many times one plays it, it can still keep you on your toes!
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    The minimal approach works fine only if one makes sure that no other faction becomes too big. Balance is the key. However, sometimes unforseen things can happen and give you quite a scare. Once I was playing a MedMod campaign with the Pechenegs, and by 1230 I had slowly managed to carve out a nice Empire in Eastern Europe, with only the Sicilians becoming large as they spread throughout North Africa and the Middle East, as they usually do in this mod. I had a larger fleet and could hold them indeffinitely in Nicea, and they were also allies and busy fighting against other catholics and dealing with excommunications and reemerging Popes. I had left the Cumans hanging around - they had a few large armies and fighting them would cause too many casualties, plus I planned to use them as a shield against the Mongols. I figured - if the Mongols win, they will be weakened by the time they arrive at my border, and if the Cumans win, well, I will just finish them. I made sure I had Lithuania, Kiev and Levidia as my Eastern border because of the rivers and was waiting for what I thought would be easy one or two battles with the Horde and then the final conquest of the Steppes,s ecuring my Eastern border before I move at leisure against the Sicilians.
    So I had the Cumans with a few stacks in Khazar and Chernigov, one stack in Volga Bulgaria (I had a pagan shaman there as a spy) and as a result the Mongols appeared both in Khazar and Volga Bulgaria. The Cumans had built a fortress and an armourer's guild in Khazar, so all the Mongols' troops received a silver shield upgrade. Now the Cumans pulled a rather unexpected and nice move - they simply attacked me in Kiev and Levidia with all they had in Khazar and Chernigov, and moved the army in Volga Bulgaria in Ryazan and in a few turns attacked with it in Lithuania. The battles in Kiev and Levidia were easy victories, but still cost me some casualties, and the battle in Lithuania was a tough victory. In the same time the Sicilians attacked me by sea, and made an attempt at Nicea. They lost in Nicea despite their uber cavalry (way too powerful in the MedMod), but blocked my trade routes causing me to start losing a few thousand per turn. No big deal, I had plenty of savings to draw upon, and I figured it is all OK - I just need to stop the Mongols and then I will be able to deal with the Sicilians.
    The next turn the Mongols decided that they did not have any interest in Georgia, garrisoned by less than 200 Sicilians, but gathered the whole Horde and only leaving a token garrison in Khazar (the Cumans simply abandoned Khazar), marched in Levidia. I lost the battle, but killed the Khan, and figured that this would be it, just plenty of MHCs to bribe. The the Cuman army arrived in Lithuania and I won, but at the end of the battle had very few troops in the province and as I had conquered Lithuania only a few turns ago, a Cuman loyalist rebellion started, which was joined by all of the remaining Mongol troops!
    I do not keep any screenshots, but it was absolutely unbelievable, the perfect storm in an MTW game. I managed to survive with bribes and desperate defensive battles, plus the sacrifice of unloyal high star generals in those battles (a civil war in this case would have meant the end). A Pope's reemergence to slow down the Sicilians helped a lot - this was perhaps the only the only time I felt true love and admiration for the Holy Father, ironically enough playing with a pagan faction.
    Last edited by Kavhan Isbul; 02-20-2007 at 23:52.

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