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    Beating the homeless.
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    MILWAUKEE, Wisconsin (CNN) -- All Nathan Moore says he wanted to do was smoke pot and get drunk with his friends.

    Killing Rex Baum was never part of the plan that day in 2004.

    "It all started off as a game," Moore said.

    The 15-year-old and his friends were taunting the homeless man -- throwing sticks and leaves -- after having a couple of beers with him.

    No big deal, Moore says, but he's sorry for what came next.

    It was a mistake, he said, a sudden primal surge that made him and his friends Luis Oyola, 16, and 17-year-old Andrew Ihrcke begin punching and kicking Baum.

    "Luis says 'I'm gonna go hit him,' We're all laughing, thought he was joking around,'" but he wasn't, Moore concedes. "We just all started hitting him."

    They hurled anything they could find -- rocks, bricks, even Baum's barbecue grill -- and pounded the 49-year-old with a pipe and with the baseball bat he kept at his campsite for protection.

    Ihrcke smeared his own feces on Baum's face before cutting him with a knife "to see if he was alive," Moore said.

    After destroying Baum's camp, the boys left the homeless man -- head wedged in his own grill -- under a piece of plastic where they hoped the "animals would eat" him.

    Then, Moore says, they took off to grab a bite at McDonald's.

    Baum's murder was indicative of a disturbing trend.

    A National Coalition for the Homeless report says last year, there were 122 attacks and 20 murders against the homeless, the most attacks in nearly a decade. (Coalition report on 2006 homeless attacks)

    Police found Baum's body two days after the teens attacked him.

    They bragged about it around town. Police picked them up and they described what happened.

    Ihrcke told police that killing "the bum" reminded him of playing a violent video game, a police report shows.

    All three teens pleaded no contest to first degree reckless homicide charges and went to prison.

    Moore recently turned 18 at Columbia Correctional Institution in Portage, Wisconsin, where he is serving a 15 year sentence.

    "When [the beating] stops, you say, 'What did we just do?'" he told CNN. "There's no rational explanation." (Watch teen explain how "game" became tragedy Video)
    Teenage 'amusement'

    "It's disturbing to know that young people would literally kick someone when they're already down on their luck," said Michael Stoops, the executive director of the Washington-based National Coalition for the Homeless. "We recognize that this isn't every teenager, but for some this passes as amusement."

    Criminologists call these wilding sprees "sport killing," -- largely middle-class teens, with no criminal records, assaulting the homeless with bats, golf clubs, paintball guns. (Watch how nights are cold, fearful for Milwaukee homeless Video)

    Some teens have even taped themselves in the act. Others have said they were inspired by "Bumfights," a video series created in 2002 and sold on the Web that features homeless people pummeling each other for the promise of a few bucks.

    A segment called "Bum Hunter," hosted by a Crocodile Hunter-like actor wearing a safari outfit, shows him "tagging" homeless people by pouncing on them and binding their wrists.

    The distributors of "Bumfights" have claimed they've sold hundreds of thousands of copies.

    But the company has had to deal with a couple of legal issues unrelated to the Baum case.

    Last year, three former homeless stars of "Bumfights" won a civil suit against filmmakers. Santa Monica attorney Mark Quigley, who represented Rufus Hannah, known as "Rufus the Stunt Bum" to series' fans, said he is unable to disclose the amount of the settlement.

    Also, in July 2006, a California judge ordered "Bumfights'" producers Ryan McPherson and Zachary Bubeck to spend 180 days in jail for failing to perform community service related to guilty pleas they previously entered to charges of staging illegal street fights.

    "Bumfights" directors did not answer CNN's request for an interview.
    Attacks across the nation

    Incidents of teen-on-homeless violence dotted the map last year. Florida racked up at least six such attacks in 2006. (Homeless attack across U.S.)

    In Lauderhill, four teens were arrested after they allegedly videotaped themselves beating, dragging, and stealing from a homeless man.

    The victim has not been found, but the four face one charge each of strong-armed robbery.

    Earlier this month, teens in Corpus Christi, Texas, videotaped themselves attacking a homeless man.

    Commander David Torres said police arrested a 15-year-old and are looking for at least one more teenager and a 22-year-old who described on tape what they were about to do before they jumped on the man. (Read full story)

    On the other side of the nation, former Oregon State University student Joshua Grimes stands accused of shooting and injuring a homeless man from his perch in a fraternity house window.

    He has not yet entered a plea, but, according to a police report, he cried to detectives after the October shooting, telling them, "I didn't mean to shoot him."

    At least three homeless people in Kalamazoo, Michigan, reported being attacked by teens on bicycles during a 10-day span in October, according to the homeless coalition.

    In Huntsville, Alabama, six teens -- one of them 13 -- beat a homeless man with golf clubs, the coalition reported. But perhaps the most shocking of these examples was 2006's first recorded case of teen-on-homeless violence.

    On January 12 in Fort Lauderdale, Florida, a surveillance camera captured two teens beating a homeless man with bats.

    Prosecutors say 17-year-old skateboarder Tom Daugherty, 18-year-old Brian Hooks, a popular hockey team captain, and a third unseen teen, Billy Ammons, a high school dropout, assaulted two more homeless men that night.

    One of them was 45-year-old Norris Gaynor. A witness, Anthony Clarke, told police and CNN last year that he saw the three teens approach Gaynor as he slept on a park bench. Daugherty began whacking Gaynor with a bat, Clarke said. (Watch two teenagers beat a cowering homeless man with bats Video)

    As Gaynor lay dying, Ammons shot him with yellow paintballs, later remarking that the beating felt like "teeing off," police said.

    Gaynor was beaten so badly his own father didn't recognize him. Facing life in prison, the teens face trial for murder later this year. They have each pleaded not guilty to one count of first-degree murder and two counts of attempted murder. (Read full story)
    Lingering questions

    Stoops and Brian Levin, a California State University hate crimes expert, say common themes run through teen-on-homeless violence. The attackers are almost always boys, peer pressure and mob mentality sweep away caution, and parents don't suspect their children could be capable of such actions.

    Laura Simpson didn't. Her son, Justin Brumfield, is serving an 11-year prison stretch in California.

    In August 2005, Brumfield and William Orantes, both 19, beat 56-year-old Ernest Adams with bats. Adams emerged from a coma three weeks later with dents in his skull, permanent scars and no vision in one eye, the Los Angeles Times reported. Orantes is serving a three-year sentence.

    Simpson, a sixth-grade teacher, says she is still tormented by her son's actions and wonders if her son's irritability was more than typical teenage moodiness.

    She has other questions: Was her son, a natural follower, just succumbing to peer pressure? Was he that into "Bumfights"? Did he see the fear in Adams' eyes when he raised the bat to strike him?

    In a sad irony, she had adopted him; his mother was a homeless drug addict, a revelation he had learned not long before the beating and which his attorney used to explain his rage.

    Her son has told her he is sorry for what happened, but her questions remain unanswered.

    "As a parent, of course you're going to question yourself," she said. "It was just hard to comprehend. The first thing was, 'Not Justin. There has to be a mistake,'" she said. "You think you know everything that's going on and you don't."

    When the mob mentality takes over, even the perpetrators may not comprehend what's going on.

    Back at the prison in Wisconsin, Nathan Moore seems baffled by his own actions. Killing Rex Baum now registers like a "blur" or "dream," he says.

    Moore and his friends knew Baum from around town. Life had been painful for the homeless man from the start; alcohol eased it. As a kid growing up in Milwaukee, when his home life became too rocky, a neighboring family took him in. He drifted through school and a brief stint in the military, his friends say, a wanderer, a loner. (Audio Slide Show: Remembering Rex Baum)

    Homeless for years, he defied Wisconsin winters by constantly walking around the city, bundled in a coat patched with duct tape. For a few dollars, he pumped gas, shoveled snow off driveways, and walked neighborhood dogs.

    More than 100 people came to Baum's funeral. Someone sent a newspaper clip of the story to Moore in prison.

    "Every day I wish I could take it back," he said. "I seen [the] repercussions among everyone. I didn't think about any of this when [the beating] was going on."


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    Very sad, really...
    And of course, parents never suspect that their precious offspring might ever do something like that... could that be because, you know, they don't take enough interest and time in how their kids spend their time ? Naaaaah.

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    Ihrcke told police that killing "the bum" reminded him of playing a violent video game, a police report shows.


    I really, really, can't understand how someone can enjoy and have fun doing such stuff. Beyond me. And, I'm sorry, I'm not buying the bull**** excuse that "I wasn't thinking", or whatever. If it was just one shot, one hit, or one stab, i.e., a matter of a split second, then yes, I could understand that. However, from the reports, it seems that these incidents take at the very least a few minutes - more than enough time to gather your wits about you...
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    Aye me little droogies, a real horrorshow it is.
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    I think this thread should have been titled "Scum of America."

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    This isn't new at all.

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    They can save their excuses. Any "harmless fun" that starts out with throwing rocks ect at homeless people is already way out of hand before it gets to killing them. These people are sociopaths and need locked up. They can also lock up anyone who markets videos of this crap for money.

    However, it'd be a mistake to think this problem is at all widespread- it isnt.
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    Thats what he gets for not pulling his weight in the American Dream. I hope this sends a message to all homeless. If you are to lazy to produce you will be beaten to death by pre-pubescent insecure teenagers. USA USA USA USA USA
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strike For The South
    Thats what he gets for not pulling his weight in the American Dream. I hope this sends a message to all homeless. If you are to lazy to produce you will be beaten to death by pre-pubescent insecure teenagers. USA USA USA USA USA
    The message is not to the homeless, it is for the governament, and the creators of the video should spend time in jail




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    Horrible. Kids these days
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    Quote Originally Posted by Caius Flaminius
    The message is not to the homeless, it is for the governament, and the creators of the video should spend time in jail
    Keep in mind that the creators of said videos usually pay the homeless for their services and by arresting said creators you are depriving the homeless of a source of badly needed income.


    Gore is right, this is nothing new. I remeber years ago something similar happening in Vegas, and it almost certainly happened before that.

    YOu all might be interested in the homeless laws in Vegas, well they may have been repealed. I should stay in the loop about such things but don't. Just think vangrency = fine/jail/deportation.


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    This just goes to show why I have no faith in humanity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by discovery1
    Keep in mind that the creators of said videos usually pay the homeless for their services and by arresting said creators you are depriving the homeless of a source of badly needed income.


    You didn't actually write that with a straight face, did you? SFTS' irony I can spot, but not sure with your post. (If I need to get a new sense of humour, forgive me )

    I'm interested to see that there doesn't seem to be much outrage at the feeble sentences these young men appear to recieve. And I agree that the production of the kind of videos noted should be a criminal offence.

    I somehow doubt that the producers of "Bum Hunter" would find quite the same macho adolescent market over this side of the pond, where it means something entirely different.*

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    *That's not to claim that Europe is free of this kind of eejit attack - quite the contrary, I think we have a worse problem.
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    So how come killing a homeless guy gets you less time than accidentally showing your class porn?

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    I really, really, can't understand how someone can enjoy and have fun doing such stuff. Beyond me.
    No disrespect, but I think this is too glib a way out. (And no, I am not about to reveal a dark past as a bum hunter, in either of the senses of the phrase)

    I'm no psychologist, but I think that this sort of behaviour is possible in quite a number of people, and saying they are sociopaths (code: "not normal people like me") is a way of avoiding that more uncomfortable truth.

    What you have is people who are naturally aggressive, inclinded to run with a peer group pack, who have limited social skills to redirect the group's collective course of action, and have poor self control (normal male teenagers, I mean). Then you add a victim, who has victim written through him like a stick of rock, but who also, happily, happens to share a few characteristics of a group that normal male teenagers generally have to obey (adult males I mean, and oh yes you do). Payback time. Finally you add in the way things just do get out of hand (I'm guessing that these attacks would not happen if someone said at the outset lets beat that guy until his brains come out onto the pavement, not least because they need the build up period to confirm that yes, the guy really is a victim and he is not going to fight back).

    Its a gloomy observation, but you know what I think stands between a significant proportion of the male population and jail time for murdering a bum? Dumb luck. They just never got into that situation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by English assassin
    I'm no psychologist, but I think that this sort of behaviour is possible in quite a number of people, and saying they are sociopaths (code: "not normal people like me") is a way of avoiding that more uncomfortable truth.
    No, it's code for "they can't relate to other people's feelings and care for no one but themselves."

    I don't for a second buy the "They were just boys being boys and things got out of hand." Anyone who considers insulting homeless people and throwing sticks at them to be "harmless fun" is seriously messed up and can clearly feel no empathy towards others. If they don't see anything immoral in humiliating and injuring a homeless person, it's not surprising to me that they'll take the extra step and just beat him to death to work up an appetite before going to McDonald's.

    Its a gloomy observation, but you know what I think stands between a significant proportion of the male population and jail time for murdering a bum? Dumb luck. They just never got into that situation.
    Again, this is not "normal" behavior. It shows a disturbing lack of conscience on the part of the teens. It's clear that they're outside of the norm based on the incidence of this- what did the article say? 6 occurrences in a year? That's statistically insignificant- not a sign of the normal male mentality.

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    So how come killing a homeless guy gets you less time than accidentally showing your class porn?
    I don't think it does. I don't think you can show me otherwise.
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    They should be made to do something meaningful with their lives: organ doners.

    There are enough people on this planet without them bieng amongst them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xiahou
    Anyone who considers insulting homeless people and throwing sticks at them to be "harmless fun" is seriously messed up and can clearly feel no empathy towards others. If they don't see anything immoral in humiliating and injuring a homeless person,
    this just about prooves what he's saying...

    Again, this is not "normal" behavior. It shows a disturbing lack of conscience on the part of the teens.
    the symptoms are normal, there are endless examples of violent/aggressive behavior by groups of teens/young adults of a similarily unthinking nature


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    EA: please note the distinction (which I intentionally made) between being able/capable of doing something, and enjoying it.

    I'm quite convinced that it's easy to get utterly drunk and do stupid things, especially under peer pressure or stuff like that. However, that didn't seem to be the case for several of the situations illustrated by the article - the boys were not drunk/high. Moreover, and maybe I'm just reading stuff into it, but it was my impression that some of them were either proud of it, or enjoyed it (both of which can be reduced more or less to the same thing).

    I can understand doing bad stuff, and realizing later on what you did, feeling remorse, etc. Some of those boys had no such issues, and it's not clear to me that they consider themselves in the wrong - besides being punished by the law.

    Moreover, like I said, since those deaths weren't a bullet to the head, a matter of a few milliseconds, it means they deliberately and meticulously killed a human being, not showing any remorse at any point during the process, even though there would have been plenty of time. It still is beyond me how one can do that without feeling remorse, or guilt, or any of that - on the contrary, taking pleasure in the process.

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    EA's assessment rings pretty true from where I stand. If it wasn't normal, how would countries have established laws against it? Anyway, the guy was 'just' a bum, and even though that seems screwed up, it's the truth. It's not like he paid taxes...it's like killing a dog.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gore
    It's not like he paid taxes...it's like killing a dog
    Homeless are people too!




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    Quote Originally Posted by Caius Flaminius
    Homeless are people too!
    He knows, he merely posted that for shock value.

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    Anyone who think killing homeless people is like killing a dog obviosly never once talked to a homeless person before. I went to DC, a city racked by homeless people. I spent a whole day talkind and volunteering to and for homeless people. Their are some really cool homeless guys. Really funny too. Alot of them were born dirt poor and some of them have health issues. Met a guy with a blood clot in his leg, named "Big Leg" by everyone; coolest guy iv ever met in my whole life.
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    i love the idea that angsty-teens can get so spazzed out by computer games that they try to rage-rape themselves with a remote.

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    I have met people who they have to go to communitary centers when they can eat once a day.Really sad, but you can find good people there.Better than people with money.




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    i blame it on the parents, if the parents had taught them what happens when you disrespect an elder, ANY elder they would think twice.

    personally if my parents found out i did something like that i'd fear them more than prison.
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    Now that I think about it. Arent homeless people sopposed to be tough? Living on the streets cant be easy, and I thought they needed to learn how to fight. Granted, they are probaly mal-nutritioned. But wouldnt the average homeless person carry around a knife? I saw a couple in DC.
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    i love the idea that angsty-teens can get so spazzed out by computer games that they try to rage-rape themselves with a remote.

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    You didn't actually write that with a straight face, did you? SFTS' irony I can spot, but not sure with your post. (If I need to get a new sense of humour, forgive me )
    Yes I did. YOu really need to be careful in cases such as this. As far as you, or at least I, know there could be a community where a large chunk of the homeless are paid for being in such videos. Now the community leaders outlaw said videos. Hey good job. But what they fail to do is provide some kind of support for the homeless who are suddenly in a worse situation, since it's so much easier to ban then to provide real solutions that cost more money. And now some homeless suddenly have to go with even less food in a given week. Good job.


    And gore's comment on the death of the homeless being like the death of a stray dog, well it's accurate if you look at it the right way. Yes they are people and we being people more often then not feel some kinship with them, they aren't exactly high profile, baring an extraordinary event such as this. If a vagrant freezes to death, how much attention does it get?


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    This is really a disgusting topic. I agree with EA's assessment…and it's not like killing a dog…if it had been a dog there would be a major public outcry and they would be facing 30 years each for animal cruelty. There is more out of balance here than just a group of teenaged boys.


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    Just to be crystal clear, I suspect this sort of behaviour is not out of the run of normal human behaviour, but that doesn't mean I think we shouldn't take all steps possible to stop it.

    But one of those steps is facing up to what it is. Its very handy to say its an illness, or caused by bad upbringing, or whatever, but if that has you looking for the wrong causes then more homeless people will be beaten to death.

    Clockwork Orange was referenced above. Not the least disturbing thing about that book is that Alex's violence is NOT alien, caused by some easily identifiable deficiency in him. Its an exaggeration of a trait that is present in many, waiting for circumstances to bring out. Otherwise, the book doesn't really work (since the removal of Alex's free will would hardly be dehumanising, if he wasn't freely choosing violence.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xiahou
    No, it's code for "they can't relate to other people's feelings and care for no one but themselves."

    I don't for a second buy the "They were just boys being boys and things got out of hand." Anyone who considers insulting homeless people and throwing sticks at them to be "harmless fun" is seriously messed up and can clearly feel no empathy towards others. If they don't see anything immoral in humiliating and injuring a homeless person, it's not surprising to me that they'll take the extra step and just beat him to death to work up an appetite before going to McDonald's.
    I would say that's more of an abillity to shutdown the empathy for some people by something in the style "homeless dude≠a full human being", than a total lack of empathy (that would extent to thier friends for example).

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    This is really a disgusting topic. I agree with EA's assessment…and it's not like killing a dog…if it had been a dog there would be a major public outcry and they would be facing 30 years each for animal cruelty. There is more out of balance here than just a group of teenaged boys.
    While you're correct about the outcry, the penalty is quite off. The viewpoint people have on pets are quite interesting. In the case of brutal and/or needless murder of a pet, they're close to that of a child, while attacking the neightbours child can easily give the pet a death penalty. I suspect that it has something to do with the dominance we have over our pets and at the same time the defencelessness the pet has.
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    More job security for moi. So what shall it be me pretties, negative reinforcement or really negative reinforcement ?
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