Bodyguard hoplites KH

[goolasso]

Is it possible to disable the phalanx formation in the KH commander's bodyguard (as the "form a phalanx" button is hided by the "trumpet" button)? Do they upgrade to cavalry?

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

Hi goolasso,
Sorry, but no they very sadly do not upgrade to cavalry.

[Brightblade]

They have a super secret mount I do not dare tell you about for fear the EB sekret police will bust me!

[goolasso]

Hi goolasso,
Sorry, but no they very sadly do not upgrade to cavalry.

but there's a calvary General bodyguard unit in the KH units list (Custom battle) ...

[goolasso]

They have a super secret mount I do not dare tell you about for fear the EB sekret police will bust me!

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

Sorry but, thats probably the old KH bodyguard from a past version when the KH did have elite cavalry bodyguards. I'm not totally sure, yet I do think that they were removed as bodyguards for generals completely. Sorry.

[Teleklos Archelaou]

Eventually the KH will have their faction general in a non-phalanx unit, but for now this is the best foot unit (only one really that is elite) we can put him with.

[Foot]

Eventually the KH will have their faction general in a non-phalanx unit, but for now this is the best foot unit (only one really that is elite) we can put him with.

Should've given them the Spartan Hoplites as a temporary replacement. I might stick up a little fix for that, should only need changes in descr_character and the edu.

Foot

[antisocialmunky]

I'd say give them a slightly more powerful, maybe two HP version of Thorakitai. Two HP because they lack the mobility of other generals and can't disengage to run away.

It would be really cool if the Spartan ethniticity got a unit of Spartan Royal Guard or something for their general but I dont' think that's possible, sadly.

[Domitius Ulpianus]

Should've given them the Spartan Hoplites as a temporary replacement. I might stick up a little fix for that, should only need changes in descr_character and the edu.

Foot

Oh this would be uber sweet as a temporary fix

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

It would be really cool if the Spartan ethniticity got a unit of Spartan Royal Guard or something for their general but I don't think that's possible, sadly.

Good news and bad news - actually it is possible to do - but is sadly only possible for the generals you start with.

[Foot]

Oh this would be uber sweet as a temporary fix

export_descr_unit Changes:

Search for ";178" you will find the following entry:

;178
type             greek infantry epikletoi hoplitai
dictionary       greek_infantry_epikletoi_hoplitai      ; Epilektoi Hoplitai
category         infantry
class            spearmen
voice_type       General_1
soldier          hellenistic_infantry_basilikonagema_epikletoihoplitai_easternauxilia, 40, 0, 1.3
officer          officer_hellenic_officer
officer          officer_hellenic_standardbearer
mount_effect     horse +2, camel +2, elephant -1
attributes       sea_faring, hide_forest, hardy, general_unit
formation        1, 1.2, 2, 2.4, 4, square, phalanx
stat_health      1, 0
stat_pri         15, 0, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, piercing, spear, 0 ,0.15
stat_pri_attr    spear
stat_sec         9, 2, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, piercing, sword, 0 ,0.11
stat_sec_attr    ap
stat_pri_armour  12, 6, 5, metal
stat_sec_armour  0, 0, flesh
stat_heat        4
stat_ground      0, 0, -3, -2
stat_mental      15, disciplined, highly_trained
stat_charge_dist 30
stat_fire_delay  0
stat_food        60, 300
stat_cost        1, 1902, 0, 60, 90, 1902
ownership        greek_cities

Replace the entire entry with the following:

;178
type             greek infantry epikletoi hoplitai
dictionary       greek_infantry_epikletoi_hoplitai      ; Epilektoi Hoplitai
category         infantry
class            spearmen
voice_type       General_1
soldier          hellenistic_infantry_basilikonagema_epikletoihoplitai_easternauxilia, 40, 0, 1.3
officer          officer_hellenic_officer
officer          officer_hellenic_standardbearer
mount_effect     horse +2, camel +2, elephant -1
attributes       sea_faring, hide_forest, hardy
formation        1, 1.2, 2, 2.4, 4, square, phalanx
stat_health      1, 0
stat_pri         15, 0, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, piercing, spear, 0 ,0.15
stat_pri_attr    spear
stat_sec         9, 2, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, piercing, sword, 0 ,0.11
stat_sec_attr    ap
stat_pri_armour  12, 6, 5, metal
stat_sec_armour  0, 0, flesh
stat_heat        4
stat_ground      0, 0, -3, -2
stat_mental      15, disciplined, highly_trained
stat_charge_dist 30
stat_fire_delay  0
stat_food        60, 300
stat_cost        1, 1902, 476, 60, 90, 1902
ownership        greek_cities

Now go to the end of the file and add this new entry in at the bottom:

;(temp)
type             hellenistic infantry spartiateshoplitai general
dictionary       hellenistic_infantry_spartiateshoplitai      ; Spartiates Hoplitai
category         infantry
class            heavy
voice_type       General_1
soldier          hellenistic_infantry_spartiateshoplitai, 30, 0, 1.35
officer          officer_hellenic_officer
officer          officer_hellenic_standardbearer
mount_effect     horse +1, camel +1, elephant -1
attributes       sea_faring, hide_forest, hardy, general_unit
formation        0.76, 1.2, 1.6, 2.4, 4, square
stat_health      1, 0
stat_pri         12, 6, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, piercing, spear, 0 ,0.13
stat_pri_attr    no
stat_sec         0, 0, no, 0, 0, no, no, no, none, 0 ,0.1
stat_sec_attr    no
stat_pri_armour  14, 10, 4, metal
stat_sec_armour  0, 0, flesh
stat_heat        4
stat_ground      -3, 0, -3, -2
stat_mental      18, disciplined, highly_trained
stat_charge_dist 30
stat_fire_delay  0
stat_food        60, 300
stat_cost        1, 2085, 0, 60, 504, 2085
ownership        greek_cities

Save and exit the file.

descr_strat Changes:

Search for "Areus Eurypontidos"

You will find an entry like this:

; City: none - on southeastern Lakonian coast, arrived from Krete
; Region: Lakonike
; --------------------
character	Areus Eurypontidos, named character, leader, command 0, influence 0, management 0, subterfuge 0, age 55, , x 141, y 101
traits NaturalIntelligence 4 , NaturalCharisma 3 , NaturalEnergy 2 , Selflessness 3 , Loyalty 5 , Temperament 3 , TurnsAlive 6 , Spartiates 1 , AreusEurypontidosBiography 1 , CommandExperience 4 , GoodTactician 1 , GoodAdministrator 2 , NumancillariesAcquired 3 , YearsPassed 4
ancillaries brilliant_inventor , playwright , clerk
army
unit		greek infantry epikletoi hoplitai				exp 1 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit		hellenistic infantry spartiateshoplitai				exp 2 armour 0 weapon_lvl 1
unit		hellenistic missile cretan archers				exp 1 armour 0 weapon_lvl 1
unit		greek skirmisher akontistai				exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit		greek infantry taxeis hoplitai				exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0

Replace it with the following:

; City: none - on southeastern Lakonian coast, arrived from Krete
; Region: Lakonike
; --------------------
character	Areus Eurypontidos, named character, leader, command 0, influence 0, management 0, subterfuge 0, age 55, , x 141, y 101
traits NaturalIntelligence 4 , NaturalCharisma 3 , NaturalEnergy 2 , Selflessness 3 , Loyalty 5 , Temperament 3 , TurnsAlive 6 , Spartiates 1 , AreusEurypontidosBiography 1 , CommandExperience 4 , GoodTactician 1 , GoodAdministrator 2 , NumancillariesAcquired 3 , YearsPassed 4
ancillaries brilliant_inventor , playwright , clerk
army
unit		hellenistic infantry spartiateshoplitai general				exp 1 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit		hellenistic infantry spartiateshoplitai				exp 2 armour 0 weapon_lvl 1
unit		hellenistic missile cretan archers				exp 1 armour 0 weapon_lvl 1
unit		greek skirmisher akontistai				exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit		greek infantry taxeis hoplitai				exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0

Then search for "Chremonides Aithalidos" and you will find this entry:

; City: Athenai
; Region: Attike
; --------------------
character	Chremonides Aithalidos, named character, command 0, influence 0, management 0, subterfuge 0, age 50, , x 144, y 108
traits NaturalIntelligence 5 , NaturalCharisma 5 , NaturalEnergy 5 , Selflessness 1 , Loyalty 3 , Temperament 2 , TurnsAlive 5 , Athenaios 1 , ChremonidesAithalidosBiography 1 , CommandExperience 3 , GoodAdministrator 2 , GoodTrader 2 , GoodTactician 1 , LogisticalSkill 1 , Drink 1 , NumancillariesAcquired 2
ancillaries merchant , family_retainer
army
unit		greek infantry epikletoi hoplitai				exp 1 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit		hellenistic infantry hoplitai				exp 2 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit		hellenistic infantry hoplitai				exp 1 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit		greek infantry taxeis hoplitai				exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit		greek skirmisher akontistai				exp 1 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit		greek missile sphendenotai				exp 1 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0

Replace it with this:

; City: Athenai
; Region: Attike
; --------------------
character	Chremonides Aithalidos, named character, command 0, influence 0, management 0, subterfuge 0, age 50, , x 144, y 108
traits NaturalIntelligence 5 , NaturalCharisma 5 , NaturalEnergy 5 , Selflessness 1 , Loyalty 3 , Temperament 2 , TurnsAlive 5 , Athenaios 1 , ChremonidesAithalidosBiography 1 , CommandExperience 3 , GoodAdministrator 2 , GoodTrader 2 , GoodTactician 1 , LogisticalSkill 1 , Drink 1 , NumancillariesAcquired 2
ancillaries merchant , family_retainer
army
unit		hellenistic infantry spartiateshoplitai general				exp 1 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit		hellenistic infantry hoplitai				exp 2 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit		hellenistic infantry hoplitai				exp 1 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit		greek infantry taxeis hoplitai				exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit		greek skirmisher akontistai				exp 1 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit		greek missile sphendenotai				exp 1 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0

Then search for "Agathokles Rhodios" and you find an entry like this:

; City: Rhodos
; Region: Rhodos
; --------------------
character	Agathokles Rhodios, named character, command 0, influence 0, management 0, subterfuge 0, age 67, , x 161, y 101
traits NaturalIntelligence 5 , NaturalCharisma 3 , NaturalEnergy 4 , Selflessness 2 , Loyalty 3 , Temperament 4 , TurnsAlive 7 , Rhodios 1 , AgathoklesBiography 1 , CommandExperience 3 , GoodAdministrator 3 , GoodTactician 1 , NumancillariesAcquired 2
ancillaries comedian , family_retainer
army
unit		greek infantry epikletoi hoplitai				exp 1 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit		greek infantry taxeis hoplitai				exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit		greek missile sphendenotai				exp 1 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0

Replace it with this:

; City: Rhodos
; Region: Rhodos
; --------------------
character	Agathokles Rhodios, named character, command 0, influence 0, management 0, subterfuge 0, age 67, , x 161, y 101
traits NaturalIntelligence 5 , NaturalCharisma 3 , NaturalEnergy 4 , Selflessness 2 , Loyalty 3 , Temperament 4 , TurnsAlive 7 , Rhodios 1 , AgathoklesBiography 1 , CommandExperience 3 , GoodAdministrator 3 , GoodTactician 1 , NumancillariesAcquired 2
ancillaries comedian , family_retainer
army
unit		hellenistic infantry spartiateshoplitai general				exp 1 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit		greek infantry taxeis hoplitai				exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit		greek missile sphendenotai				exp 1 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0

Finally search for "Akrotatos Eurypontidos" and you will find an entry like this:

; City: Sparte
; Region: Lakonike
; --------------------
character	Akrotatos Eurypontidos, named character, heir, command 0, influence 0, management 0, subterfuge 0, age 23, , x 138, y 103
traits NaturalIntelligence 5 , NaturalCharisma 3 , NaturalEnergy 4 , Selflessness 3 , Loyalty 3 , Temperament 4 , TurnsAlive 2 , Spartiates 1 , AkrotatosBiography 1 , GoodAdministrator 3 , NumancillariesAcquired 2 , GoodDefender 1 , CommandExperience 3 , YearsPassed 4 , NumancillariesAcquired 2
ancillaries comedian , family_retainer
army
unit		greek infantry epikletoi hoplitai				exp 1 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit		greek infantry taxeis hoplitai				exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit		greek skirmisher akontistai				exp 1 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit		greek missile sphendenotai				exp 1 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0

Replace it with this:

; City: Sparte
; Region: Lakonike
; --------------------
character	Akrotatos Eurypontidos, named character, heir, command 0, influence 0, management 0, subterfuge 0, age 23, , x 138, y 103
traits NaturalIntelligence 5 , NaturalCharisma 3 , NaturalEnergy 4 , Selflessness 3 , Loyalty 3 , Temperament 4 , TurnsAlive 2 , Spartiates 1 , AkrotatosBiography 1 , GoodAdministrator 3 , NumancillariesAcquired 2 , GoodDefender 1 , CommandExperience 3 , YearsPassed 4 , NumancillariesAcquired 2
ancillaries comedian , family_retainer
army
unit		hellenistic infantry spartiateshoplitai general				exp 1 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit		greek infantry taxeis hoplitai				exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit		greek skirmisher akontistai				exp 1 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit		greek missile sphendenotai				exp 1 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0

Save and exit this file.

Load the game to see if it works.

Always make backups of your files before editing.

Foot

[Domitius Ulpianus]

Umm I really want to give this a try but Im afraid Im lil lost here:


Fist thing is I found 2 copies of the export_descr_unit file in my EB folder. The first one was ina subfolder called sp game edu backup, the second one inside the Data subfolder. Should I change both?

and then about the descr_strat file, I looked everywhere but I couldn't find it...

Thanks in advance for the help.

[Kull]

Umm I really want to give this a try but Im afraid Im lil lost here:

1) Edit only the EDU in this directory: EB\Data

2) Here's the directory for D_S: EB\Data\world\maps\campaign\imperial_campaign

Anyone who makes this swap should realize that they have now lost the Epilektoi Phalanx, since it is not recruitable in EDB. Nor is it a merc.

[Domitius Ulpianus]

1) Edit only the EDU in this directory: EB\Data

Anyone who makes this swap should realize that they have now lost the Epilektoi Phalanx, since it is not recruitable in EDB. Nor is it a merc.

Thanks a lot!!!...now about the Epilektoi Phalanx....this is my first game using the KH....how good/bad of a trade-off is that...

Words of wisdom are appreciated !!

[Kull]

Thanks a lot!!!...now about the Epilektoi Phalanx....this is my first game using the KH....how good/bad of a trade-off is that...

Words of wisdom are appreciated !!

The Spartan has fewer men, but slightly better stats. Basically a coin flip. However, the Spartan is available ingame as a non-general unit, whereas the Epilektoi is gone completely.

[Domitius Ulpianus]

Gotcha, Im gonna give it a go, because having my generals in phalanx formation without the possibility of turning off the formation is a bit of a pain.
Thanks for the prompt help!

[Count Belisarius]

Buy a single phalanx merc unit (Iphikratous Hoplitai probably preferably), and just keep the remnants with your general - when you group them you can always select phalanx on or off then. A very good tip to remember if you are playing as KH.

Can't take credit for this one. It's Teleklos Archelaou's post from another thread.

If you're not up to tinkering with the export_descr_unit file, this looks like a quick & dirty way to get around the problem until the EB team addresses it.

[Olaf The Great]

Considering the old "KH General Cavalry, seems to still exist, how would I edit them to be the general unit again?

[Tellos Athenaios]

Just took a random General's bodyguard from the EDU.
The EDU reads there:

;27
type celtic cavalry chieftain brihentin
dictionary celtic_cavalry_brihentin ; Gallic General's Bodyguard
category cavalry
class heavy
voice_type General_1
soldier celtic_cavalry_brihentin_remimairepos_lavotuxri, 10, 0, 1
officer officer_celtic_standardbearer
mount generals horse
mount_effect elephant -4, chariot +2, camel -1
attributes sea_faring, general_unit, hide_forest, hardy, ;no_custom
formation 1.5, 4, 3, 6, 4, square, wedge
stat_health 1, 0
stat_pri 4, 30, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, piercing, spear, 160 ,0.33
stat_pri_attr ap
stat_sec 10, 13, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, piercing, sword, 0 ,0.225
stat_sec_attr no
stat_pri_armour 13, 8, 3, metal
stat_sec_armour 0, 0, flesh
stat_heat 4
stat_ground 0, 0, -4, -1
stat_mental 13, disciplined, highly_trained
stat_charge_dist 60
stat_fire_delay 0
stat_food 60, 300
stat_cost 1, 1367, 0, 38, 178, 1367
ownership gauls, scythia, slave

Now, if you look at the attributes, you can see that it has "general_unit" in it. My assumption here is that the old generals unit of KH had this attribute removed, so adding it will bring the cavalry bodyguard back. You should however remove this attribute from the current general's bodyguard as well. (Because the old one might interfere with your own modifications.)
The general's unit of KH has the "greek cities" ownership - FYI.

[Kull]

Just took a random General's bodyguard from the EDU.
The EDU reads there:

Now, if you look at the attributes, you can see that it has "general_unit" in it. My assumption here is that the old generals unit of KH had this attribute removed, so adding it will bring the cavalry bodyguard back. You should however remove this attribute from the current general's bodyguard as well. (Because the old one might interfere with your own modifications.)
The general's unit of KH has the "greek cities" ownership - FYI.

Also has to make all those descr_strat changes that Foot showed above (except you'd have to plug in the KH Bodyguard unit instead of the Spartan)

[Domitius Ulpianus]

By the way, I went ahead with the changes and its working wonders...!!!

[Watchman]

Just in the case someone doesn't want to entirely lose access to the Epikletoi Hoplitai in the process, would it be a workable quick-and-dirty placeholder solution to replicate the Hoplitai Spartatoi entries in the EDB ? That way, unless I've entirely missed something, you could still recruit the EH on the exact same requirements as the Spartiatoi...

[Domitius Ulpianus]

Umm Im really liking the spartiates hoplitai as Bodyguards for my KH General...by the way where and what lvl of MIC do I need to recruit more spartiates hoplitai? KH First timer here...Always played Rome before so Im still learning my way with the KH but so far Im reaaaally loving it. I think I like a lot more my generals as infantry units than as a Cavalry (like the Romani).

Thanks all.

[Pelopidas]

I don't understand : in my KH games, I only have cavalry bodyguards, and not footmen...

[Domitius Ulpianus]

I don't understand : in my KH games, I only have cavalry bodyguards, and not footmen...

Ummm then I guess you are not playing EB v .81 because they changed the cavalry general for epikletoi hoplitai (phalanx infantry) in the last update. The problem was (at least for me) that they were too slow being unable to turn off the phalanx formation...sooo I edited the entries as Foot proposed in his post up here and now my generals have Spartites Hoplitai as bodyguards....which I really like.

Hope that helps Pelopidas.

[antisocialmunky]

If you did install the .81 patch over .80, then you might need to uninstall and reinstall both. I ran into thsi problem with my first attempt at .81 patching.

[Vorian]

Ummm then I guess you are not playing EB v .81 because they changed the cavalry general for epikletoi hoplitai (phalanx infantry) in the last update. The problem was (at least for me) that they were too slow being unable to turn off the phalanx formation...sooo I edited the entries as Foot proposed in his post up here and now my generals have Spartites Hoplitai as bodyguards....which I really like.

Hope that helps Pelopidas.

Hey, If I make the changes will I be able to continue my campaign? Cause I have already started and don't won't to lose it.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

No, you'll have to start a new one I'm afraid.

[Vorian]

Then I might save it for later...pretty interesting things happened, I was besieging Chalkis and a Macedonian army from Pella managed to come at my back using ships!!

And I don't use BI.exe