Bodyguard hoplites KH

**Foot** · 02-21-2007, 15:30

Originally Posted by Teleklos Archelaou

Eventually the KH will have their faction general in a non-phalanx unit, but for now this is the best foot unit (only one really that is elite) we can put him with.

Should've given them the Spartan Hoplites as a temporary replacement. I might stick up a little fix for that, should only need changes in descr_character and the edu.

Foot

**antisocialmunky** · 02-21-2007, 16:05

I'd say give them a slightly more powerful, maybe two HP version of Thorakitai. Two HP because they lack the mobility of other generals and can't disengage to run away.

It would be really cool if the Spartan ethniticity got a unit of Spartan Royal Guard or something for their general but I dont' think that's possible, sadly.

**Omanes Alexandrapolites** · 02-21-2007, 20:25

Originally Posted by antisocialmunky

It would be really cool if the Spartan ethniticity got a unit of Spartan Royal Guard or something for their general but I don't think that's possible, sadly.

Good news and bad news - actually it is possible to do - but is sadly only possible for the generals you start with.

**Domitius Ulpianus** · 02-21-2007, 19:48

Originally Posted by Foot

Should've given them the Spartan Hoplites as a temporary replacement. I might stick up a little fix for that, should only need changes in descr_character and the edu.

Foot

Oh this would be uber sweet as a temporary fix

**Foot** · 02-21-2007, 21:31

Originally Posted by Domitius Ulpianus

Oh this would be uber sweet as a temporary fix

export_descr_unit Changes:

Search for ";178" you will find the following entry:

Code:

;178
type             greek infantry epikletoi hoplitai
dictionary       greek_infantry_epikletoi_hoplitai      ; Epilektoi Hoplitai
category         infantry
class            spearmen
voice_type       General_1
soldier          hellenistic_infantry_basilikonagema_epikletoihoplitai_easternauxilia, 40, 0, 1.3
officer          officer_hellenic_officer
officer          officer_hellenic_standardbearer
mount_effect     horse +2, camel +2, elephant -1
attributes       sea_faring, hide_forest, hardy, general_unit
formation        1, 1.2, 2, 2.4, 4, square, phalanx
stat_health      1, 0
stat_pri         15, 0, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, piercing, spear, 0 ,0.15
stat_pri_attr    spear
stat_sec         9, 2, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, piercing, sword, 0 ,0.11
stat_sec_attr    ap
stat_pri_armour  12, 6, 5, metal
stat_sec_armour  0, 0, flesh
stat_heat        4
stat_ground      0, 0, -3, -2
stat_mental      15, disciplined, highly_trained
stat_charge_dist 30
stat_fire_delay  0
stat_food        60, 300
stat_cost        1, 1902, 0, 60, 90, 1902
ownership        greek_cities

Replace the entire entry with the following:

Code:

;178
type             greek infantry epikletoi hoplitai
dictionary       greek_infantry_epikletoi_hoplitai      ; Epilektoi Hoplitai
category         infantry
class            spearmen
voice_type       General_1
soldier          hellenistic_infantry_basilikonagema_epikletoihoplitai_easternauxilia, 40, 0, 1.3
officer          officer_hellenic_officer
officer          officer_hellenic_standardbearer
mount_effect     horse +2, camel +2, elephant -1
attributes       sea_faring, hide_forest, hardy
formation        1, 1.2, 2, 2.4, 4, square, phalanx
stat_health      1, 0
stat_pri         15, 0, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, piercing, spear, 0 ,0.15
stat_pri_attr    spear
stat_sec         9, 2, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, piercing, sword, 0 ,0.11
stat_sec_attr    ap
stat_pri_armour  12, 6, 5, metal
stat_sec_armour  0, 0, flesh
stat_heat        4
stat_ground      0, 0, -3, -2
stat_mental      15, disciplined, highly_trained
stat_charge_dist 30
stat_fire_delay  0
stat_food        60, 300
stat_cost        1, 1902, 476, 60, 90, 1902
ownership        greek_cities

Now go to the end of the file and add this new entry in at the bottom:

Code:

;(temp)
type             hellenistic infantry spartiateshoplitai general
dictionary       hellenistic_infantry_spartiateshoplitai      ; Spartiates Hoplitai
category         infantry
class            heavy
voice_type       General_1
soldier          hellenistic_infantry_spartiateshoplitai, 30, 0, 1.35
officer          officer_hellenic_officer
officer          officer_hellenic_standardbearer
mount_effect     horse +1, camel +1, elephant -1
attributes       sea_faring, hide_forest, hardy, general_unit
formation        0.76, 1.2, 1.6, 2.4, 4, square
stat_health      1, 0
stat_pri         12, 6, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, piercing, spear, 0 ,0.13
stat_pri_attr    no
stat_sec         0, 0, no, 0, 0, no, no, no, none, 0 ,0.1
stat_sec_attr    no
stat_pri_armour  14, 10, 4, metal
stat_sec_armour  0, 0, flesh
stat_heat        4
stat_ground      -3, 0, -3, -2
stat_mental      18, disciplined, highly_trained
stat_charge_dist 30
stat_fire_delay  0
stat_food        60, 300
stat_cost        1, 2085, 0, 60, 504, 2085
ownership        greek_cities

Save and exit the file.

descr_strat Changes:

Search for "Areus Eurypontidos"

You will find an entry like this:

Code:

; City: none - on southeastern Lakonian coast, arrived from Krete
; Region: Lakonike
; --------------------
character	Areus Eurypontidos, named character, leader, command 0, influence 0, management 0, subterfuge 0, age 55, , x 141, y 101
traits NaturalIntelligence 4 , NaturalCharisma 3 , NaturalEnergy 2 , Selflessness 3 , Loyalty 5 , Temperament 3 , TurnsAlive 6 , Spartiates 1 , AreusEurypontidosBiography 1 , CommandExperience 4 , GoodTactician 1 , GoodAdministrator 2 , NumancillariesAcquired 3 , YearsPassed 4
ancillaries brilliant_inventor , playwright , clerk
army
unit		greek infantry epikletoi hoplitai				exp 1 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit		hellenistic infantry spartiateshoplitai				exp 2 armour 0 weapon_lvl 1
unit		hellenistic missile cretan archers				exp 1 armour 0 weapon_lvl 1
unit		greek skirmisher akontistai				exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit		greek infantry taxeis hoplitai				exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0

Replace it with the following:

Code:

; City: none - on southeastern Lakonian coast, arrived from Krete
; Region: Lakonike
; --------------------
character	Areus Eurypontidos, named character, leader, command 0, influence 0, management 0, subterfuge 0, age 55, , x 141, y 101
traits NaturalIntelligence 4 , NaturalCharisma 3 , NaturalEnergy 2 , Selflessness 3 , Loyalty 5 , Temperament 3 , TurnsAlive 6 , Spartiates 1 , AreusEurypontidosBiography 1 , CommandExperience 4 , GoodTactician 1 , GoodAdministrator 2 , NumancillariesAcquired 3 , YearsPassed 4
ancillaries brilliant_inventor , playwright , clerk
army
unit		hellenistic infantry spartiateshoplitai general				exp 1 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit		hellenistic infantry spartiateshoplitai				exp 2 armour 0 weapon_lvl 1
unit		hellenistic missile cretan archers				exp 1 armour 0 weapon_lvl 1
unit		greek skirmisher akontistai				exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit		greek infantry taxeis hoplitai				exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0

Then search for "Chremonides Aithalidos" and you will find this entry:

Code:

; City: Athenai
; Region: Attike
; --------------------
character	Chremonides Aithalidos, named character, command 0, influence 0, management 0, subterfuge 0, age 50, , x 144, y 108
traits NaturalIntelligence 5 , NaturalCharisma 5 , NaturalEnergy 5 , Selflessness 1 , Loyalty 3 , Temperament 2 , TurnsAlive 5 , Athenaios 1 , ChremonidesAithalidosBiography 1 , CommandExperience 3 , GoodAdministrator 2 , GoodTrader 2 , GoodTactician 1 , LogisticalSkill 1 , Drink 1 , NumancillariesAcquired 2
ancillaries merchant , family_retainer
army
unit		greek infantry epikletoi hoplitai				exp 1 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit		hellenistic infantry hoplitai				exp 2 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit		hellenistic infantry hoplitai				exp 1 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit		greek infantry taxeis hoplitai				exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit		greek skirmisher akontistai				exp 1 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit		greek missile sphendenotai				exp 1 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0

Replace it with this:

Code:

; City: Athenai
; Region: Attike
; --------------------
character	Chremonides Aithalidos, named character, command 0, influence 0, management 0, subterfuge 0, age 50, , x 144, y 108
traits NaturalIntelligence 5 , NaturalCharisma 5 , NaturalEnergy 5 , Selflessness 1 , Loyalty 3 , Temperament 2 , TurnsAlive 5 , Athenaios 1 , ChremonidesAithalidosBiography 1 , CommandExperience 3 , GoodAdministrator 2 , GoodTrader 2 , GoodTactician 1 , LogisticalSkill 1 , Drink 1 , NumancillariesAcquired 2
ancillaries merchant , family_retainer
army
unit		hellenistic infantry spartiateshoplitai general				exp 1 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit		hellenistic infantry hoplitai				exp 2 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit		hellenistic infantry hoplitai				exp 1 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit		greek infantry taxeis hoplitai				exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit		greek skirmisher akontistai				exp 1 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit		greek missile sphendenotai				exp 1 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0

Then search for "Agathokles Rhodios" and you find an entry like this:

Code:

; City: Rhodos
; Region: Rhodos
; --------------------
character	Agathokles Rhodios, named character, command 0, influence 0, management 0, subterfuge 0, age 67, , x 161, y 101
traits NaturalIntelligence 5 , NaturalCharisma 3 , NaturalEnergy 4 , Selflessness 2 , Loyalty 3 , Temperament 4 , TurnsAlive 7 , Rhodios 1 , AgathoklesBiography 1 , CommandExperience 3 , GoodAdministrator 3 , GoodTactician 1 , NumancillariesAcquired 2
ancillaries comedian , family_retainer
army
unit		greek infantry epikletoi hoplitai				exp 1 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit		greek infantry taxeis hoplitai				exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit		greek missile sphendenotai				exp 1 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0

Replace it with this:

Code:

; City: Rhodos
; Region: Rhodos
; --------------------
character	Agathokles Rhodios, named character, command 0, influence 0, management 0, subterfuge 0, age 67, , x 161, y 101
traits NaturalIntelligence 5 , NaturalCharisma 3 , NaturalEnergy 4 , Selflessness 2 , Loyalty 3 , Temperament 4 , TurnsAlive 7 , Rhodios 1 , AgathoklesBiography 1 , CommandExperience 3 , GoodAdministrator 3 , GoodTactician 1 , NumancillariesAcquired 2
ancillaries comedian , family_retainer
army
unit		hellenistic infantry spartiateshoplitai general				exp 1 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit		greek infantry taxeis hoplitai				exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit		greek missile sphendenotai				exp 1 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0

Finally search for "Akrotatos Eurypontidos" and you will find an entry like this:

Code:

; City: Sparte
; Region: Lakonike
; --------------------
character	Akrotatos Eurypontidos, named character, heir, command 0, influence 0, management 0, subterfuge 0, age 23, , x 138, y 103
traits NaturalIntelligence 5 , NaturalCharisma 3 , NaturalEnergy 4 , Selflessness 3 , Loyalty 3 , Temperament 4 , TurnsAlive 2 , Spartiates 1 , AkrotatosBiography 1 , GoodAdministrator 3 , NumancillariesAcquired 2 , GoodDefender 1 , CommandExperience 3 , YearsPassed 4 , NumancillariesAcquired 2
ancillaries comedian , family_retainer
army
unit		greek infantry epikletoi hoplitai				exp 1 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit		greek infantry taxeis hoplitai				exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit		greek skirmisher akontistai				exp 1 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit		greek missile sphendenotai				exp 1 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0

Replace it with this:

Code:

; City: Sparte
; Region: Lakonike
; --------------------
character	Akrotatos Eurypontidos, named character, heir, command 0, influence 0, management 0, subterfuge 0, age 23, , x 138, y 103
traits NaturalIntelligence 5 , NaturalCharisma 3 , NaturalEnergy 4 , Selflessness 3 , Loyalty 3 , Temperament 4 , TurnsAlive 2 , Spartiates 1 , AkrotatosBiography 1 , GoodAdministrator 3 , NumancillariesAcquired 2 , GoodDefender 1 , CommandExperience 3 , YearsPassed 4 , NumancillariesAcquired 2
ancillaries comedian , family_retainer
army
unit		hellenistic infantry spartiateshoplitai general				exp 1 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit		greek infantry taxeis hoplitai				exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit		greek skirmisher akontistai				exp 1 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit		greek missile sphendenotai				exp 1 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0

Save and exit this file.

Load the game to see if it works.

Always make backups of your files before editing.

Foot

**Domitius Ulpianus** · 02-22-2007, 05:01

Umm I really want to give this a try but Im afraid Im lil lost here:

Fist thing is I found 2 copies of the export_descr_unit file in my EB folder. The first one was ina subfolder called sp game edu backup, the second one inside the Data subfolder. Should I change both?

and then about the descr_strat file, I looked everywhere but I couldn't find it...

Thanks in advance for the help.

**Kull** · 02-22-2007, 05:15

Originally Posted by Domitius Ulpianus

Umm I really want to give this a try but Im afraid Im lil lost here:

1) Edit only the EDU in this directory: EB\Data

2) Here's the directory for D_S: EB\Data\world\maps\campaign\imperial_campaign

Anyone who makes this swap should realize that they have now lost the Epilektoi Phalanx, since it is not recruitable in EDB. Nor is it a merc.

**Domitius Ulpianus** · 02-22-2007, 05:35

Originally Posted by Kull

1) Edit only the EDU in this directory: EB\Data

Anyone who makes this swap should realize that they have now lost the Epilektoi Phalanx, since it is not recruitable in EDB. Nor is it a merc.

Thanks a lot!!!...now about the Epilektoi Phalanx....this is my first game using the KH....how good/bad of a trade-off is that...

Words of wisdom are appreciated !!

**Kull** · 02-22-2007, 05:41

Originally Posted by Domitius Ulpianus

Thanks a lot!!!...now about the Epilektoi Phalanx....this is my first game using the KH....how good/bad of a trade-off is that...

Words of wisdom are appreciated !!

The Spartan has fewer men, but slightly better stats. Basically a coin flip. However, the Spartan is available ingame as a non-general unit, whereas the Epilektoi is gone completely.