Doctor, can you save my campaign?

**Tellos Athenaios** · 02-23-2007, 03:38

**Thaatu** · 02-23-2007, 11:07

Fallen, you must understand that setting timetables for bugfixes is something that can't be done accurately. First you have to find the bug, only then you can fix it. After all I can't say how long it will take to find my lost keys.

As for the attitude of the EB team towards you... First your attitude has to change, only then you expect change from the teams part. You have compared them to a certain fascist regime a couple of times, so they might have some expectations. You are probably a nice person and all, but you tend to get a little too emotional sometimes, especially when you feel like you're being attacked. I hope there's nothing insulting in this post, but if there is I apologise. Just keep an open mind and a happy tone and people will react to you in the same way.

On notice:
Khelvan, where's your smilie? I can't seem to find it... Listen to me. You may think you're a big shot, but this is MY realm. At least until someone locks/deletes it (please don't, PLEASE).

Tellos Athenaios, you have a smilie alright, but I'm afraid that last one doesn't count. I mean it's almost sad, if you take it out of context. One more time and I'll... do something, maybe.

**Tellos Athenaios** · 02-23-2007, 17:59

Originally Posted by Thaatu

Tellos Athenaios, you have a smilie alright, but I'm afraid that last one doesn't count. I mean it's almost sad, if you take it out of context. One more time and I'll... do something, maybe.

Yep I know, I was just a bit confused reading those off topic posts. I couldn't find fault with expressing my opinion that way, but of course here you're the king or so, I suppose.

I sincerely apologize...

**Tellos Athenaios** · 02-23-2007, 18:12

EB full 0.8.1 makes no difference to the CTD... One possibility ruled out.

**bovi** · 02-23-2007, 21:03

Marcus has previously posted a fix to the rebelling city problem for 0.8, so I tried the similar on 0.81. It works. But it comes with an undesirable effect, the ability to produce a basic unit in every city regardless of lacking a MIC structure. Here's the sort-of-fix. I'll bring up the issue in the developer forum so we can decide on a better longterm solution.

**Kull** · 02-24-2007, 04:20

Originally Posted by Tellos Athenaios

EB full 0.8.1 makes no difference to the CTD... One possibility ruled out.

That is not exactly true. Although I am EXTREMELY disappointed to see this nasty critter rear it's head once more, the fact is the Rebelling City CTD was very common in v.80, and is much less so in v.81.

Which suggests that our solution is on the right track, but might be missing a few elements. FWIW, this is not a matter of changing a line of code or fixing a unit. Rather, there's a series of things which have to blend together seamlessly - and it looks like we missed a few seams.

**Thaatu** · 02-24-2007, 10:16

Is the recruitment CTD settlement based? I have had two CTD's in 0.81 which I determined were caused by rebellion. The first one was when Gava-Mazskata rebelled from Saka Rauka. That one passed after the fourth try with the town switching to Parthia. So I'm thinking maybe the game tried to spawn a group of units there, and for the first three times it randomly spawned a unit which didn't belong there, but on the fourth try, by luck of the draw, it didn't spawn the conflicting unit.

Wow, that was really badly put. I hope you get the idea. The second one was this Gordu-Neujuri incident, which just wouldn't pass until the, uhhm.. migration. So those two cities would be worth checking out. But the CTDs seem to be very rare, so it's not that big of a deal. Add_population is a good temporary medicine.

Edit:
Just realized that I had never deleted the 0.8 map.rwm. So I deleted it, just as a test, and I have the bugged "Baktrian paper province" in Belgium. My CTDs were probably because of the old map.rwm, I hope. What does the file change? Should I start a new campaign in order for some new stuff to kick in or can I continue the game?

**bovi** · 02-24-2007, 19:38

You *can* continue your campaign, but it is likely screwed. At least your savegame is "tainted", so you should not report any more CTD bugs before you start a new campaign with the up-to-date map.rwm.

I've started a new campaign and cheated to get the Gordu settlement at the first turn, added population and proceeded to wait for rebellion. It rebelled nicely three times in a row (I retook the settlement in between of course), then I made a small change to the EDB file to experiment and CTD hell broke loose the next time it rebelled. When I reloaded the savegame after the first of the rebellions, the next one CTD'd. Even when I had changed EDB back to what it was originally! So it's pretty fickle...