The world is flat.

[Mooks]

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/f...7bbb3bade30422


Hard to beleive theres still people around that think that way...

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

NASA spending money on high tech computers to fool us, the earth resting on the back of four elephants and a turtle, satellite signals coming from radio towers and the government guarding an ice wall?

[Marshal Murat]

It's a conspiracy, and here is the proof!

Q: "What is the motive behind this conspiracy?"

A: The motive is unknown although it is probably money

Of Course (smacks forehead)

Q: "How are the world governments organized enough to carry out this conspiracy?"

A: They only appear to be disorganized to make the conspiracy seem implausible.

They are doing a pretty good job of it to!

Q: "Why are other celestial bodies round but not the Earth?"

A: When you look at these celestial bodies, even with a telescope, they're entirely two-dimensional.

So entirely plausible.

Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?"

A1: They don't, satellite signals come from radio towers.

Okay, so why can I get XM radio (satellite) when I can't get radio signals in the middle of Kansas?

Q: Follow-up to previous question: How is it that the Earth does not have a gravitational pull, but stars and the moon do?

A: This argument is a non sequitur. You might as well ask, "How is it that snakes do not have legs, but dogs and cats do?" Snakes are not dogs or cats. The Earth is not a star or the moon. It doesn't follow that each must have exactly the properties of the others, and no more.

That sounds like a backroom quote.

Q: "Why doesn't water run off the Earth?"

A: There is a vast ice wall that keeps the water where it is. The ice wall is roughly 150ft high. This also explains why you can find a vast plane of ice when you travel south.

Q: "How does global warming affect the ice wall?"

A1: Global warming is melting the ice wall, but the government isn't doing anything because cutting carbon emissions would damage the economy, and they only care about making money.

A2: Global Warming doesn't happen. It and its counter-theory (Global Cooling) are effects that cancel each other out. Remember, these "greenhouse gasses" can reflect heat back out into space as well as keep it on Earth. Yes, there are recorded rises in temperature, but the only records we have go back, at most, around 150 years. This is very likely an occurrence that happens every [x>150] years, that's happened before (perhaps many times), and that the Earth has thus survived before.

Right, of course



Believe it, and repeat it often enough, and it will become truth.
Quick, edit wikipedia!

[Bijo]

*is off to edit Wikipedia*

[master of the puppets]

...GAH!
how are we intellectuals to stand against such awe-inspiring logic, if the world was'nt so flat we would'nt have any scientific ground to stand on (puns, lol), its impossible to fight there logic. , between them and the flying speggetti monster theory i think they have just plain disproved all modern science.

Edit:
seriously guys, i think i could come up with a theory saying the earth is IN some truck drivers ear, if i get people who could make up facts as well as these guys do i could start a cult.

[Louis VI the Fat]

I don't mind you guys mocking us. I'm used to it and will turn the other cheek.

But we need to keep an open mind and teach our children the controversy, not geography.

[master of the puppets]

alright luigi, if you want to turn this into an actual discussion i will oblige.

oh wait, srry luigi i don't understand, are you defending them, or mocking them or just quoting them, i'm honestly not sure.

first off, how can you accept this as a reasonable answer, there just dodging the question.

Q: Follow-up to previous question: How is it that the Earth does not have a gravitational pull, but stars and the moon do?

A: This argument is a non sequitur. You might as well ask, "How is it that snakes do not have legs, but dogs and cats do?" Snakes are not dogs or cats. The Earth is not a star or the moon. It doesn't follow that each must have exactly the properties of the others, and no more.

how do you explain the basic laws of physics in this feild described?
where does the gravity for the FE earths ascent originate from.
how long ago was this conspiracy came up with?
explain meteors.
why isn't the edge of the ice ring in perpetual darkness?
how come third world countries can keep up the conspiracy but not feed there people.
how can we make money on the ice wall?
why do the inuits not know about this?
explain the dinosaurs.
when did the FE earth originate?
does god have a part in this?
any of you seen any evidence not just conceptual?
what physics involved could shape all the bodies of the world into disks and face them all directly at earth so we could not see there edges?
who paid off columbus?
why is'nt all areas around the ice wall extremely cold?
how do buirds such as arctic terns navigate, by the government altered GPS?

i've got more questions but lets see you handle these.

[Banquo's Ghost]

This thread belongs in the Backroom where it will bring joy unconfined to Lemur.

[Ice]

People believe a magical being created the Earth in 6 days, why is it so hard to believe some think the Earth is flat? Are you really that surprised?

[Big King Sanctaphrax]

To the Backroom!

MotP-I think you're insulting Louis's intelligence a bit there....

[Scurvy]

we should invite one of them to the org to defend thier beliefs, its a bit one-sided if not

[Louis VI the Fat]

* some mod care to move this thread to the Backroom please, where we can have ourselves a fine debate with our gloves off ? *

MotP-I think you're insulting Louis's intelligence a bit there....

He sure is! All of you round-earthers are. Gah!


Alright, I'll answer your questions, MotP!

how do you explain the basic laws of physics in this feild described?
What basic laws of physics? You mean those so-called 'reality-based' ones that change their 'paradigm' every few decades? Each time claiming that 'this time we've got it right!' ?

how long ago was this conspiracy came up with?
What conspiracy? The truth it is.

explain meteors.
Huh? Objects can't fall on a flat surface?

how come third world countries can keep up the conspiracy but not feed there people.
How come Venezuala is one big oil-field yet they can't feed their people? I dunno man, you tell me why they can't get their act together.

explain the dinosaurs.
Simple. Created like all living things.

when did the FE earth originate?
Six thousand years ago. The evidence can be gathered through geology.

does god have a part in this?
Everything ultimately derives from Him. If you do not belive this, then tell me: what do you find more convincing: creation, or, something appearing out of nothing.
To which I would like to add, that according to your beloved physics 'facts' no matter or energy can be created or lost. So where would all energy and matter come from then hey? There must be a first mover.

who paid off columbus?
Huh? Say what? You mean to tell me that you actually believe Columbus sailed around the globe and ended up in India?
That there are Europeans living in the America's proves the earth is flat, doesn't it?

i've got more questions but lets see you handle these.
Bring 'em on! I've been to sunday school and have been trained to handle sceptics like you.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

People believe a magical being created the Earth in 6 days, why is it so hard to believe some think the Earth is flat? Are you really that surprised?

I can't buy into either and I'm a Christian (more or less)

[Ice]

I can't buy into either and I'm a Christian (more or less)

Alright?

[Hosakawa Tito]

Ask 'em when the comet's coming round to pick them up?

[Marshal Murat]

I liked the Sunday school bit...
And the controversy vs. proven geography


My good question linked to Kansas and satellite radio...

If the world was flat, then why can I get reception by the tower, but not 500 miles away?
Why do radio towers need to reflect radio waves against the ionosphere so that everyone can receive the signal (if they can at all)?
If satellite radio involves satellites, then why isn't all radio carried by satellites (or really tall towers) since it can reach everyone, and get more money from advertisements?

Why can you see the sails/masts of ships before the actual ship crosses the horizon?
How come the shadow on the moon is circular and not disk shaped, or a thin slice of blackness?
So what about the 2 astronauts killed in the accident on the pad (Apollo 4 or something), why did they die if there was no space program?
How about the Paris Gun? In World War 1, the Germans built a massive gun to fire shells into Paris. However, the first few shells were off, because when they were fired, the Earth rotated and when the shells came back down, they struck a few meters or so in the wrong spot.

Why can't I see Los Angeles from New York with a telescope?
Why doesn't the rim of the world experience climactic conditions similar to Siberia, or the Baltic. I don't see Polar bears in Australia, do you?

Why is the North Star always in the north?
Where does Earth's magnetic field come from?
If the world see-saws, then why doesn't a ball on a flat court roll from one end to the other? Surely, it the tides can be caused by a see-saw effect, a rubber ball full of air will be able to move!?


All, I assume, will be refuted by the mumbo-jumbo and 'government conspiracy' deal you guys have.
May God save your soul from the blashpemy.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

You see....I just knew GLOBAL warming was bollocks!

[Kralizec]

That site is a joke.

[Xiahou]

Do they offer tours to the ice wall that's at the end of the earth? I'd like to see that sucker.

[Soulforged]

People believe a magical being created the Earth in 6 days, why is it so hard to believe some think the Earth is flat? Are you really that surprised?

The answer is simple my friend. There's empirical proof that the Earth is flat, however you can't proove a negative.

Let's not strike gratuitous blows unto God whenever we can, shall we people.

Also God is not "magical", at least not for Christianity, but there's already a thread on that.

[ShadeHonestus]

They missed the primary issue that PROVES this conspiracy.

You can't drill OIL if the world is round!


True story, I read it in the "Bored with my Life Because I Don't Matter Daily Tribune Post Guardian".

[Louis VI the Fat]

All, I assume, will be refuted by the mumbo-jumbo and 'government conspiracy' deal you guys have.
May God save your soul from the blashpemy.

Ah, I can tell you went to a public school. Government funded and all that...


Let me help you out:

My good question linked to Kansas and satellite radio...

If the world was flat, then why can I get reception by the tower, but not 500 miles away?

If satellite radio involves satellites, then why isn't all radio carried by satellites (or really tall towers) since it can reach everyone, and get more money from advertisements?
Radio waves get blocked by trees, hills, tal buildings. Now if radio towers were build tall enough, then sure, you could receive the same station around the world.

But why would they build towers that are 5000 miles high? Do you think I want to listen your midwest Kansas Country and Western stations all day long? Do you want French chanson blasting out of your speakers? No.

There hasn't been enough globalisation diskalisation to eradicate cultural differences. Radio and tv are still local businesses.


Why can you see the sails/masts of ships before the actual ship crosses the horizon?
Because reflection of the sunlight blurs your line of sight close to the suface of water. You do hopefully know that you burn easily when sunbathing near salt water? Same effect. Reflection of sunlight. As a friendly advice, use a good sunblock near the sea, wear sunglasses and don't ask silly questions about why you can't see properly.


How come the shadow on the moon is circular and not disk shaped, or a thin slice of blackness?
Sorry, but a disk and a 'ball' (or whatever) create the same shadow effect when lighted from behind. I realise this in itself can't proof the earth isn't a ball, but we have much more evidence that it is indeed a disk.

So what about the 2 astronauts killed in the accident on the pad (Apollo 4 or something), why did they die if there was no space program?
Why did people die in Iraq when there were no WMD's? These are good questions to ask our governments indeed.

How about the Paris Gun? In World War 1, the Germans built a massive gun to fire shells into Paris. However, the first few shells were off, because when they were fired, the Earth rotated and when the shells came back down, they struck a few meters or so in the wrong spot.
Do you even realise how silly you sound here? They missed because...the earth rotates!?
Even by your own physics laws unproven theories this is impossible. These bullets didn't leave the earth's orbit, didn't they? So they would've moved with the earth. I mean, when a leaf drops, it doesn't shoot away in the opposite direction from which the earth moves either, doesn't it? Shouldn't it though, if we were to take your argument seriously? That tree is still attached to the earth, that leaf is free floating and should land hundres of miles away because of 'the rotation of the earth'.

Why can't I see Los Angeles from New York with a telescope?
The Rocky Mouintains block your view. Tsk.

Why doesn't the rim of the world experience climactic conditions similar to Siberia, or the Baltic. I don't see Polar bears in Australia, do you?
Not in Australia you won't, but if you travel a bit further, you will find plenty of ice. Just not Polar bears anymore on that side of the disk. They went the way of the dodo because they were all shot by European explorers. For polar bears, you need to travel to the upper quadrants of the disk, where eskimos and other peoples more in touch with nature have ensured their survival.

Why is the North Star always in the north?
This won't prove either mine or your position. It is up there because it is, flat or round earth.

Where does Earth's magnetic field come from?
From iron ore below the surface. That's why you mine it. You dig underground and - well what do you know: iron! Not that you'd believe that - you think there's some sort of hot oven underground, that gets hotter and hotter the deeper you dig. Kind of like a medieval hell of some sort. Gah, to think you people have the nerve to call ours' a medieval mindset!

If the world see-saws, then why doesn't a ball on a flat court roll from one end to the other? Surely, it the tides can be caused by a see-saw effect, a rubber ball full of air will be able to move!?
Scale.
Now, if tides where caused by the moon's gravitational pull or whatever, then wouldn't this ball be drawn to the moon as well? It isn't, because of the same effects of scale.

BTW, how come the moon has a 28-day cycle and the tides a 12-hour one? Surely it doesn't follow that the moon is responsible...?

They missed the primary issue that PROVES this conspiracy.

You can't drill OIL if the world is round!

Bless you.

[Ice]

The answer is simple my friend. There's empirical proof that the Earth is flat, however you can't proove a negative.

Let's not strike gratuitous blows unto God whenever we can, shall we people.

Also God is not "magical", at least not for Christianity, but there's already a thread on that.

I wasn't taking a cheap shot on god, Soulforged. I did not mention Christianity or god at all in my post.

[Louis VI the Fat]

That site is a joke.

Gah! Gah! Gah!

According to you, a flat earth is a joke, yet the Soviet occupation of Eastern Europe was a rational means of self-defense against American agrression. Surely you must think the .org is just a joke, that we're not serious, that it's okay to take the piss whenever and wherever you can?

Shame on you!


@Soulforged - Sorry man, I knew this thread would turn into an anti-Christian crusade. Would these atheists ever pass up on an opportunity to mock our beliefs?

[Redleg]

Well there are parts of Kansas, Oklahoma, and Texas that as far as one can see the earth (ground, dirt, soil, etc..) appears to be a flat as a board.

Hince yes indeed the "earth" is flat.

[Marshal Murat]

I fate arguing with a fool.

Do you even realise how silly you sound here? They missed because...the earth rotates!?
Even by your own physics unproven theories this is impossible. These bullets didn't leave the earth's orbit, didn't they? So they would've moved with the earth. I mean, when a leaf drops, it doesn't shoot away in the opposite direction from which the earth moves either, doesn't it? Shouldn't it though, if we were to take your argument seriously? That tree is still attached to the earth, that leaf is free floating and should land hundreds of miles away because of 'the rotation of the earth'.

The Paris Gun

It was capable of hurling a 94 kilogram (210 lb) shell to a range of 130 kilometres (81 mi) and a maximum altitude of 40 kilometres (20 mi) — the greatest height reached by a human-made projectile until the first successful V-2 flight test in October 1942.

At the start of its 170-second trajectory, each shell from the Paris Gun reached a speed of 1,600 metres per second (5,200 ft/s) (almost five times the speed of sound).

The gun itself, which weighed 256 tons and was mounted on rails, had a 28 metre (92 ft) long, 210 millimetre (8.3 in) caliber rifled barrel with a 6 metre (20 ft) long smoothbore extension.

The Paris gun was used to shell Paris at a range of 75 miles (120 km).

The gun was fired at an azimuth of 232 degrees (west-southwest) from Crépy-en Laon, which was at a latitude of 49.5 degrees North. The gunners had to account for the fact that the projectiles landed 393 metres (1,290 ft) short and 1,343 metres (4,406 ft) to the right of where they would have hit

Your logic states that very time something falls, it's going to land in Texas! Considering that a shell from a Paris gun is 210lb's and a leaf is nearly nil is weight.
Then there is also the height of the tree, so if the tree is nearly 50 MILES tall, and the leaf weighed 210lbs, then your argument would make sense.
Since there is no such tree in the world, and the tallest is only 100 meters, your argument falls flat.
(Coriolis Effect)

According to you, a flat earth is a joke, yet the Soviet occupation of Eastern Europe was a rational means of self-defense against American agrression

Sounds like someone went to the who started Cold War thread!

You never mentioned radio waves bouncing off the ionosphere. If the reasons for radio was to provide 'local' service, then why would anyone have to bounce radio waves off the ionosphere?

Sorry, but a disk and a 'ball' (or whatever) create the same shadow effect when lighted from behind. I realize this in itself can't proof the earth isn't a ball, but we have much more evidence that it is indeed a disk.

The moon's brightness is affected by the reflected sunlight. Since the Earth is larger than the moon, if the Earth were a 'disk', then we would blot out the moon almost all the time, and the shadow would have a slight curve, and not the exaggerated one that is present on our moon.

If there is iron underground, and it attracts the magnetic pin on a compass, magnetic north and all.
1.Why has no one mined it, since it would provide money (big thing you guys have with that)
2.Why has it changed year after year? Has there been some new iron found? Hmmm?

Explain Foucault Pendulum, in your terms.


Naughty Mortal!

[AntiochusIII]

Marshal Murat: Louis- ahem, Luigi (how did you turn Italian?) is joking.

He's pretty good at it, too. That line about geography vs controversy: gold*.

*he's referring to the American obsession with the so-called Intelligent Design crap vs Evolution thing, by the way

[ShadeHonestus]

*he's referring to the American obsession with the so-called Intelligent Design crap vs Evolution thing, by the way

Next thing you crazy Euro's are going to try and pass off is gravity being more than the flat earth moving vertically up at a constant speed.

[master of the puppets]

you say that all planets are disks like earth right, well what magicle forces got them all to point there broad disk like parts at us instead of being a line in the sky?

is the entire universe moving up at 1g? or is it just the world, and if they do move in unison why doesn't all the gasses on jupiter float up, or ice fall off mars.

Why can't we see this magical ice ring on mars or venus or any other disk planet?

and even if you have some nut-job explaination for these tell me why the planet jupiter has many items on the surface. If you look at Jupiter right now you may see the large red spot, if you look at it in 4 months that spot may be gone and a brand new face has apeared on the planet, why has this happened?

i'll tell you why its a friggin sphere that is turning on an axis, just like earth, look at the proof you stupid SoB.

[Marshal Murat]

Yes, I know he was joking, but some silly ninny is going to come on, and think this is all so very serious.

Like Borat, or Intelligent Design, or 'Evolution'.