MICs and reforms

[Ancyrean]

Hi everybody!

I'm new to EB and HUGELY impressed by it!!! Kudos to all who have contributed to its making!!! Awesome historywork, awesome detail and artwork, accuracy and game balance, as I can see even after a few turns of gameplay!


I'm currently playing my first game (M/H difficulty) with the Romans. It's now 250 BC and I hold the entire Italian peninsula, all of Sicily, the Adriatic coast, the city of Carthage and the lands of the Epiriotes . However, there are a few things so far that I'm a little bit confused about, despite looking around in the EB forums (including the FAQ) for clarification.

I understand that your MICs are available in relation to the government type you institute. Among these, Type I govt is available only in regions marked as "Homeland". This is of course the case with my starting cities (Rome, Capua etc), and in those cities I can build Roman barracks to produce hastati, principes etc.

My immediate conquests in the north were the 3 regions controlled by the Eleutheroi, all marked as Homeland region. Of these, in Segesta I can build Roman MICs as well as auxillary MICs. But in Bononia and Patavium just to the east, despite also being marked as Homeland, Roman MICs never appear as an option in the build list. The situation is the same with Rhegion and Taras in the southern tip of Italia (both marked as Homeland), both of which I conquered...
I destroyed the Greek MICs in all these 5 new Homeland-marked cities upon taking them. Some other Greek origin buildings (blacksmith, port, etc) are still in place...It also seems like MICs don't appear in the building browser anywhere, homeland region or elsewhere.


Any clues as to why can't I build Roman MICs in these Homeland regions??? I'm sure I'm doing something wrong but can't figure it out :n00b:

My second question is about the Polybian reforms...According to the FAQ, they should happen:

at least year 242, either hold 2 of these cities (Segesta, Mediolanum, Patavium, Bononia) AND 2 of these (Lilibeo, Messana, Syracuse) OR wait until 210BC
You get the new units after upgrading your Mic's. In settlements you don't upgrade you keep your old camillan units, and you are still able to retrain your old veterans.

I have Segesta, Patavium and Bononia AND all of Sicily. I can't get Roman MICs in them except in Segesta as I described above, I built Level one auxillary MICs in the rest...I guess I have to wait until 242 BC, right? If so, Will the reforms make the missing MICs appear?

Thanks for any help!

[LordCurlyton]

Heh I'm new too but from what I've read on the forums here there is a limit on the number of factional MICs you can build in Camillan and Polybian eras. I belive it is 6 for Camillan and 10 for Polybian. Or so I've led myself to believe, since I have the same issue but I'm not worrying all that much, since I can build the local MICs in quantity and the 6 factional ones I have (I counted just to make sure) have been sufficient for my factional troop needs. But it would be nice to know for certain what the limits for factional MICs are by era. This is great mod; I'm in absolute joy over it.

[Ancyrean]

Heh I'm new too but from what I've read on the forums here there is a limit on the number of factional MICs you can build in Camillan and Polybian eras. I belive it is 6 for Camillan and 10 for Polybian. Or so I've led myself to believe, since I have the same issue but I'm not worrying all that much, since I can build the local MICs in quantity and the 6 factional ones I have (I counted just to make sure) have been sufficient for my factional troop needs. But it would be nice to know for certain what the limits for factional MICs are by era. This is great mod; I'm in absolute joy over it.

Hi there LordCurlyton!

I just checked my game and you're right, I have 6 Roman MICs in place!...But when I destroy one, the option to build a new one doesn't come up in other cities

[Kugutsu]

Its limited by particular province, not by number. You can only build camillan MICs in your starting provinces - Rome, Capua, Arpi, Ariminium, Arretium (and Segesta, I cant remember?).
Once you get the Polybian reforms, it activates factional MICS in those other Italian provinces.

[LordCurlyton]

Yah I have in Segesta for my 6th. Nice to know its province specific as well.

[Kugutsu]

You'll be able to build factional MICs in those 4 provinces after you get the Polybian reforms in 242.

Rome is much more limited in its factional MICs than most factions, at least until much later in the game. You can only build your traditional (hastati, principes and triarii) troops in Italy until you get the Marian reforms much, much later... Then I believe you get cohorts pretty much everywhere.

Until then, mercenaries are your friends, and regional MICs will give you some useful stuff too, at least for garrison duty.

[Ancyrean]

You'll be able to build factional MICs in those 4 provinces after you get the Polybian reforms in 242.

Rome is much more limited in its factional MICs than most factions, at least until much later in the game. You can only build your traditional (hastati, principes and triarii) troops in Italy until you get the Marian reforms much, much later... Then I believe you get cohorts pretty much everywhere.

Until then, mercenaries are your friends, and regional MICs will give you some useful stuff too, at least for garrison duty.

Its limited by particular province, not by number. You can only build camillan MICs in your starting provinces - Rome, Capua, Arpi, Ariminium, Arretium (and Segesta, I cant remember?).
Once you get the Polybian reforms, it activates factional MICS in those other Italian provinces.

Oh ok, now it makes sense...

Out of necessity, it has already become part of my military logistics routine to shuffle wounded units after battles to have as many of them back to full strength as possible and ferry the remaining understrength ones back to Italia for retraining. This makes me choose my targets carefully and wait a while to get the auxilia barracks built, auxillary's trained or in the meantime move in some lower level troops for garrison duty from nearby regions. This is slowing down the initial conquests around Italia but I understand the logic behind this restriction, actually it feels way more realistic this way.

Thanks for the replies Kugutsu

[Tiberius Nero]

I am in 258 BC and I still haven't figured out how to recruit local Italic troops. I have Government type I in pretty much all of Italy (and level 1 regional MIC's, I haven't built level 2, because it doesn't seem like they are giving me any troops either), but the only local Italic units I am getting are Samnite Spearmen in Capua, and the funny thing is that I didn't even have to build the region MIC to get them. I have started buying Italic mercenaries, but they are incredibly expensive and limited in number. What is the way to recruit Italic troops as the Romans then?

[Pharnakes]

In your original starting regions with type 1 goverments building a level 4 factional mic lets you recruit pedites extrodinarii (Samnite assault mercenaries only better, cheaper and retrainable ) and a level 5 factional mic gives you equiteis extrodinarii (like merc hippeis thesalkoi only better, cheaper and retraniable )

[Dyabedes of Aphrodisias]

In your original starting regions with type 1 goverments building a level 4 factional mic lets you recruit pedites extrodinarii (Samnite assault mercenaries only better, cheaper and retrainable ) and a level 5 factional mic gives you equiteis extrodinarii (like merc hippeis thesalkoi only better, cheaper and retraniable )

Capua allows you to build the Samniti Milites, which are much better than the stupid Pedites, when you have the right local MICs. It also can build Samnite Spearmen and some other unit.

@Darth_roman
If you have 4 of the cities listed, and it is at least 242BC, then you should see a new MIC show up the next turn.

[MarcusAureliusAntoninus]

I am in 258 BC and I still haven't figured out how to recruit local Italic troops. I have Government type I in pretty much all of Italy (and level 1 regional MIC's, I haven't built level 2, because it doesn't seem like they are giving me any troops either), but the only local Italic units I am getting are Samnite Spearmen in Capua, and the funny thing is that I didn't even have to build the region MIC to get them. I have started buying Italic mercenaries, but they are incredibly expensive and limited in number. What is the way to recruit Italic troops as the Romans then?

Italian allies come through the factional MIC so that when reforms hit, you won't have them anymore. So far there are only 3 Italian units (2 Samnites and those guys with the hats), and only one samnite unit is recruitable, IIRC.

The extraordinarii are more of Roman units then Italian units, IIRC.

[Foot]

I am in 258 BC and I still haven't figured out how to recruit local Italic troops. I have Government type I in pretty much all of Italy (and level 1 regional MIC's, I haven't built level 2, because it doesn't seem like they are giving me any troops either), but the only local Italic units I am getting are Samnite Spearmen in Capua, and the funny thing is that I didn't even have to build the region MIC to get them. I have started buying Italic mercenaries, but they are incredibly expensive and limited in number. What is the way to recruit Italic troops as the Romans then?

Italic regionals for the romans are in the factional mics so that, after the marian reforms, they cannot be recruited again. This is to represent how romans changed society in their italic provinces.

Foot

[Tiberius Nero]

Italic regionals for the romans are in the factional mics so that, after the marian reforms, they cannot be recruited again. This is to represent how romans changed society in their italic provinces.

Foot

Ok, so does that mean that regional MICs are useless in the Camillan era? What reform level are the extraordinarii produced in?

Thank you all for the responses!