LIBERTY OR DEATH (1821 mod)

[Suraknar]

A cooperative moding community is the best it can get :)

This mod will require lots of changes since lots of mechanics pertain to completelly different periods here. So that is actually a very good idea to ask permission fon NapoleonTW Mod.

I gave this some though before going to bed yesterday, you may want to evaluate going with the initial Factions list.

The Ottoman Empire (of course)
Greece
Bulgaria
Serbia
Moldova
Wallachia
Albania
Montenegro
Bosnia
Egypt
Armenia

And add, Russia, Hungary, France & England as a strategically (linked to actuall historical battle locations) placed Mercenaries, that players of certain factions can have access to to bolster their rebel armies but also represent the historical aid and participation of these powers in this Revolution with some degree of accuracy.

For insatnce Romanian faction could have access to Russian and Hungarian troops, while Greece, Russian French and British etc..

That way you can keep the map restricted to the balkans and anatolia, concentrate on that region and reduce the number of factions to something more manageable as initially intended. Getting too ambitious can actually kill a mod down the line if the workload is too heavy.

A possible suggestion

[Suraknar]

Some additional Info about the vents around this Mod.


Serbia, officially the Republic of Serbia (Serbian: Република Србија or Republika Srbija)

Serbs settled the region by 630 AD, having been invited by the Byzantine emperor Heraclius. They were fully converted to Christianity by 865 AD. The roots of the Serbian state date back to the 7th century and the House of Vlastimirović. A Serbian kingdom (centered around Duklja) was established in the 11th century. It lasted until the end of the 12th century.

Serbs formed four distinct independent kingdoms by the 14th century — in Dioclea, Rascia, Syrmia and Bosnia.. Of those, the most viable was Raška, formed in the 12th century by the Serbian Grand Župan Stefan Nemanja. In 1220, under Stefan the First Crowned, Serbia became a kingdom, and rose from Byzantine, Bulgarian and Hungarian patronage. In 1346, Stefan Dušan established the Serbian Empire.

The Empire was disintegrated and fell to the Ottoman Turks after the historic Battle of Kosovo in 1389. The northern Serbian territories (the Serbian Despotate) were conquered in 1459 following the siege of the "temporary" capital Smederevo. Bosnia fell a few years after Smederevo, and Herzegovina in 1482. Belgrade was the last major Balkan city to endure Ottoman onslaughts, as it joined Catholic Royal Hungary, following heavy Turkish defeat in Siege of Belgrade of 1456. It held out for another 70 years, succumbing to the Ottomans in 1521, alongside greater part of Hungary that was soon conquered. Another shortlasting incarnation of the Serbian state was the one of Emperor Jovan Nenad in 16th-century Vojvodina, however it also collapsed to the Ottoman Empire, before finally passing to the Habsburg Empire, where it would remain for centuries to come.

Following the collapse of Serbian Empire in Battle of Kosovo, between 1459 and 1804, Serbia was under the Ottoman occupation, despite three Austrian invasions and numerous rebellions (such as the Banat Uprising). Islam was in a period of expansion during this time, especially in Raška, Kosovo and Bosnia. The Ottoman period was a defining one in the history of the country; Slavic, Byzantine, Arabic and Turkish cultures suffused. Many contemporary cultural traits can be traced back to Ottoman period. However the majority of the Serbs managed to keep their culture and religion through the long period of Ottoman rule. Despite three Austrian occupations and numerous rebellions, two-thirds of the modern state had remained under Ottoman rule until the early 19th century. Northern third of the modern country, Vojvodina, has endured a century long Ottoman occupation before passing to Habsburg Empire in the 17th century, only to proclaim independence from Austria-Hungary in 1918.

The First Serbian Uprising of 1804–13, led by Đorđe Petrović (also known as Karađorđe or "Black George"), and the Second Serbian Uprising of 1815 resulted in autonomy and self-governance of the new Principality of Serbia (previously Pashaluk of Belgrade) from the Porte. As it was semi-independent from the Ottoman Empire, it is considered to be the precursor of the formation of modern Serbia. After the Ottomans were definitely expelled the in 1867, Serbia de facto secured its sovereignty, which was formally recognised internationally at the Congress of Berlin in 1878.

From 1815 to 1903, the Serbian state was ruled by the House of Obrenović, except from 1842 to 1858, when Serbia was ruled by Prince Aleksandar Karađorđević. In 1903, the House of Obrenović was replaced by the House of Karađorđević, who were descendants of Đorđe Petrović.

In the northern part of present-day Serbia that was ruled by the Austrian Empire, the local Serbs created in 1848 their autonomous region known as the Serbian Vojvodina. The region was in 1849 transformed into new Austrian crownland known as the Vojvodina of Serbia and Tamiš Banat. Although the crownland was abolished in 1860, the Serbs from the Vojvodina region gained another opportunity to achieve their political demands in 1918.

The struggle for liberty, modern society and a nation-state in Serbia lasted almost three decades and was completed with the adoption of the constitution on 15 February 1835. In 1876, Montenegro, Serbia, and Bosnia declared war against the Ottoman Empire and proclaimed their unification. However, the 1878 Treaty of Berlin, which was signed at the Congress of Berlin by the Great Powers, granted complete independence only to Serbia and Montenegro, leaving Bosnia and Sanjak of Novi Pazar to Austria-Hungary, who blocked their unification until the Balkan Wars of 1912 and 1913 and World War I.

[Suraknar]

Oki this maybe interesting...


Montenegro (Serbian/Montenegrin: Црна Гора or Crna Gora, pronounced /'t͡sr̩naː 'ɡɔra/), officially the Republic of Montenegro (Република Црна Гора or Republika Crna Gora)

Slav tribes, mixed with Illyrians, Avars and Romans, formed the semi-independent dukedom of Duklja by the tenth century. In 1077, Pope Gregory VII recognized Duklja as an independent state, acknowledging its King Mihailo (Michael) (of the Vojislavljević dynasty founded by nobleman Stefan Vojislav) as rex Docleae (King of Duklja). The kingdom, however, paid tribute to the Byzantine Empire and later to the Bulgarian Empire; it gave birth to the medieval kingdom of the Serbian Grand Prince (Serbian: župan) Stefan Nemanja, who originated from Duklja.

The Principality of Zeta (which more closely corresponds to the early modern state of Montenegro) asserted itself about 1360. The House of Balšić (1360s–1421) and the House of Crnojević (1421–1499) ruled Zeta. Although the Ottoman Empire controlled the lands to the south and east from the 15th century, it never fully conquered Zeta.

In 1516, the secular prince Đurađ Crnojević abdicated in favour of the Archbishop Vavil, who then made Montenegro into a theocratic state under the rule of the prince-bishop (known as владика, vladika) of Cetinje, a position held from 1697 by the Petrović-Njegoš family of the Riđani clan. Petar Petrović Njegoš, perhaps the most influential vladika, reigned in the first half of the 19th century. In 1851, Danilo II Petrović Njegoš became vladika, but in 1852 he married, left the priesthood, assumed the title of knjaz (Prince), and transformed his land into a secular principality.

In 1910, Prince Nikola I became King of Montenegro. Two years later, in October, 1912, King Nikola declared war on the Ottoman Empire, precipitating the two Balkan Wars. The Montenegrin army attacked the Ottoman fortress city of Skutari, and forced the empire to gather a large army in neighbouring Macedonia. This Ottoman army was then attacked by the forces of Greece, Serbia, and Bulgaria which entered the war by pre-arrangement. The result was a military disaster for the Ottomans, who were thrown back to an area north of Constantinople.

Montenegro emerged from the Balkan Wars doubled in size, receiving half of the former Ottoman territory known as the Sanjak of Novi Pazar, but without Skutari, the country's major prize in the war. The London Conference awarded Skutari to an independent Albania.

During World War I, Montenegro was part of the allies. In the course of the war, Montenegro was occupied by Austro-Hungarian troops. Feldmarschalleutnant Viktor Weber von Webenau became Military Governor of Montenegro on February 26, 1916. In 1918, the Podgorica Assembly voted for uniting Montenegro with the Kingdom of Serbia. However, pro-independence Montenegrins revolted on Christmas Day 1919 against Serbia. The revolt was brutally suppressed in 1924.

After World War II, from 1945 to 1992, Montenegro separated from Serbia and became a constituent republic in its own right, the Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia. It was during this time that the present capital Podgorica was renamed Titograd, after Josip Broz Tito, dictator of Yugoslavia. Over the next half century, Montenegro remained one of six constituent republics of Yugoslavia.

Independent from the late Middle Ages until 1918, the country was later a part of various incarnations of Yugoslavia and the state union of Serbia and Montenegro. Based on the results of a referendum held on May 21, 2006, Montenegro declared independence on June 3, 2006. On June 28, Montenegro became the 192nd member state of the United Nations.

I think it would be safe to say that Montenegro can be totally independent and not a playable faction in this mod, since it remained relativelly independent and unconquered by the Ottoman Empire, it could start as part of the "Rebel" faction in relation to this mod and the period it targets.


Bringing the original list, should you decide to go forth with it, to this:

The Ottoman Empire (of course)
Greece
Bulgaria
Serbia
Moldova
Wallachia
Albania
Bosnia
Egypt
Armenia

Ahh yes, it can have MERC units that Serbian Faction can recruit to bolster its own rebell forces.

[Suraknar]

An interesting Map of the region can help shape this mod's Map as far as the Balkans go.



As we can see this is a map of the balkans dating from 1856 to 1878, Greece is far from having its present shape, so I think it could be safe to have this Mod run from 1821 to 1900...which would also validate the inclusion of the other powers and rebellions.

From this map we can certaintly confirm

Turkey
Serbia
Bulgaria
Greece
Wallachia (Romania)
Moldova (Romania)
Bosnia
(Rebel) non playable

Factions...

Armenia is yet to be confirmed I am researching on it now.

Egypt could be excluded(a a faction) if you wish, so a possible map could be from Austro-Hungary- Black sea & part of Russia - Caucasus (West to east) and from Austo Hungary to mediteranean south of Crete.

That would include Cyprus south of eastern Turkey.

Egypt's participation (as part of the Ottoman Faction) could be an event like invasion challenging the Greek Faction from the south in pelloponesus.

What do you think Meliritos, Rex? feasable?

[Filibustería]

I like that map.

I managed to get this, hope its useful:

Revolutionary commanders:

Theodoros Kolokotronis
Alexander Yplisanti

Turkish commanders:

Omer Vryonis
Dramalis
Ibrahim Pasha of Egypt

Important battles:

Dragashani
Skuleni
Tripoli
Alamana
Gravia
Valtesi
Doliana
Chios
Dervenakia
Pea
Karpenizi
Gerontas
Maniaki
Mills of Lema
Missolonghi
Mani
Phaleron
Navarino

[meliritos]

Firstly, thanks for the feedback guys. The idea of having foreign troops as mercenaries is nice. We could also make the egyptians as mercenaries for the Ottoman empire. The root list of greek faction members ( i have already found icons for them) is: (only the surnames)
Kolokotronis
Karaiskakis
Makriyiannis
Papaflessas (He was an Orthodox Priest, so priest units in the Greek faction will have + in fighting skills compared to vanilla RTW. If there is historic evidence that other nations had priests that fought during the uprising we will add offensive skills to them as well)
Nikitaras
D. Ipsilantis
Miaoulis
Kanaris
Diakos
Androutsos
Bouboulina
Mavrogenous (this and the previous one were women that took part in the greek revolution)

[KLAssurbanipal]

Do You have modeller/skinner? Units for mod will be hard to make.