One third of the holocaust.

[Veho Nex]

One third of the holocaust

Interesting only believe a few of them though but I guess we'll never know also the fact that you think the world might notice that over 4 years 1.5 million people were killed off. Then we have people who think it was a conspiracy theory. And that Hundred of thousands of families suddenly went missing. The only way this stuff could be true is if only a couple hundred families where killed and the rest where taken out of Germany/Poland. The only way any of this could be true is if the maker(s) of these videos found proof that half a million people were moved out of Germany/Poland during the 1940's.


Any one else have something to add?

[Fragony]

Some things are kinda suspect, and some things are easily explained. But I am not burning my hands on this one. Take a few bulldozers and pull the whole thing to the ground, we don't need to remember that badly.

[KrooK]

Nazist shit. So funny when they are trying to make them like document.


If author really had gone to Treblinka, he would have believed that on so small area smart Germans and Ukrainians killed so many people.

[The Wizard]

Deniers... sad.

[TevashSzat]

I had to do a project on Holocaust Denial and I must say, they do manipulate the facts and data very well to fit their claims

[Spino]

This Holocaust body count argument reminds me an awful alot of the discussions surrounding the actual number of men present in the Persian army at Thermopylae and Gaugamela. Thanks to the lack of documentation or supporting evidence people can argue endlessly about those figures. Even reasonable figures are hotly contested. Back and forth, back and forth, blah blah.

It is rather futile to seek finality, let alone any kind of closure over this issue because people (or more specifically, historians) are going to argue over the actual number who died in the holocaust for the next... oh, several millenia or so. There's really no point or sense to the level of contentiousness, especially amongst non-historians with a personal bone to pick with the murderers or the victims. It makes it even more difficult when you consider the equally imprecise number of Gypsies, Poles, undesirables, etc. who were also deliberately dispatched during the Holocaust.

It really doesn't matter whether it was 1.5 million or 6 million. We know it was in the millions and more importantly we know the reason why they perished. The sad but oddly comforting truth of the matter is eventually the Holocaust will join the long list of mass murders commited through the ages and itself will become a footnote of history. Comforting in that we now have a reasonable means by which to gauge and predict the behavior and trends which can lead to such events.

Not that such predictors will change anything; nobody lifted a finger to help the people of Khwarazmia or the Armenians or the Tutsis. The moral crusaders of the world can talk the talk all they like. Unless they exhibit a willingness to sacrfice their own fortunes and fates to save the lives of others their cries of righting the wrongs is just alot of hot air.

[Veho Nex]

It is rather futile to seek finality, let alone any kind of closure over this issue because people (or more specifically, historians) are going to argue over the actual number who died in the holocaust for the next... oh, several millenia or so. There's really no point or sense to the level of contentiousness, especially amongst non-historians with a personal bone to pick with the murderers or the victims. It makes it even more difficult when you consider the equally imprecise number of Gypsies, Poles, undesirables, etc. who were also deliberately dispatched during the Holocaust.

It really doesn't matter whether it was 1.5 million or 6 million. We know it was in the millions and more importantly we know the reason why they perished. The sad but oddly comforting truth of the matter is eventually the Holocaust will join the long list of mass murders commited through the ages and itself will become a footnote of history. Comforting in that we now have a reasonable means by which to gauge and predict the behavior and trends which can lead to such events.

Hmm very interesting but you must think that over the next several millennium that i think in 500-700 years no one will even think about this I'm just trying to gather facts at the moment and thats usually what i do when I'm not in school. so just think of the body count 1.5million compared to 6million the 1.5 is supposed to be just one single camp.

[Lord Condormanius]

These guys are obviously not living in Germany. They'll throw you in jail over there, where Holocaust denial is a crime. In fact, they just sent some guy in his late 60s to prison for just that.

[cegorach]

One third of the holocaust

I still cannot imagine how anyone can believe in such revisionist crap.


I wonder how those people will explain the sudden drop in Polish population during the war ?

Something tells me those several million of people didin't go shopping to France or are still playing 'hide and seek', but were murdered.

Over 6 million of people don't just disappear.



But we are living in the world where flatearthers, Stalin apologists or people who believe that a TV set harbours very little people inside are more than few.

[Kalle]

This Holocaust body count argument reminds me an awful alot of the discussions surrounding the actual number of men present in the Persian army at Thermopylae and Gaugamela. Thanks to the lack of documentation or supporting evidence people can argue endlessly about those figures. Even reasonable figures are hotly contested. Back and forth, back and forth, blah blah.

Completly diffrent things. People questioning the numbers presented at the battles you talk of can hardly be called revisionists because of that. I made a major post in I think the topic you talk about quoting and citing historians that have nothing in common with the holocaustdeniers.

You can not call yourself a historian if you do not question and scrutinize every statement in the sources you use in your work.

Kalle

[English assassin]

Where do these people think the jews WENT? Madagascar?

But there is some documentary evidence from the Nazis , covering how many people were sent to 4 extermination camps during one year and how many were sent during two weeks of the next year .

Indeed. Heavens above, we still have the railway timetables. How banal do you like your evil?

[caravel]

That site is a laughable waste of bandwidth.

[Cronos Impera]

I still cannot imagine how anyone can believe in such revisionist crap.


I wonder how those people will explain the sudden drop in Polish population during the war ?

Something tells me those several million of people didin't go shopping to France or are still playing 'hide and seek', but were murdered.

Over 6 million of people don't just disappear.



But we are living in the world where flatearthers, Stalin apologists or people who believe that a TV set harbours very little people inside are more than few.

Well, as a 1/4 Pole myself I can tell you many Poles might have vanished during the Soviet ocupation.Let us remember that Stalin was a boucher himself and he managed to kill 8 million people in Russia alone and after the war it would have been easier for Communists to hide their crimes than germans did. After all, there wouldn't even have been a Nurenberg trial had the Soviets been accused of war-crimes.
It's still stupid to compare genocides and war-crimes on a body-count basis.....for me "The Holocaust was the worst crime of the century because XXXXXXXX people died" it's sheer bigotry. It's pain and suffering were talking about, not numbers.

[KrooK]

Alexander of Macedon
Hoss was very good man to. He was extremely polite to his jewish home servants. Which did not stop him from doing his job.
Hoss was Auschwitz commander.

[Alexanderofmacedon]

Alexander of Macedon
Hoss was very good man to. He was extremely polite to his jewish home servants. Which did not stop him from doing his job.
Hoss was Auschwitz commander.

Which makes me wonder what should he do if that is his job? It's hard to tell really.

[cegorach]

[QUOTE=Cronos Impera]

Well, as a 1/4 Pole myself I can tell you many Poles might have vanished during the Soviet ocupation.

True, but those losses are between 0,5 and 1,5 million.

It is true that overall Poland lost about 10-12 million citizens (from 35 million in 1939) - but from those 'only' 5-6 million were counted as Polish/Jewish ( only the Nazis seen a difference between a Catholic Pole with Jewish grandparents and 'ordinary' 'sub-humans').

Only recently it was decided to FINALLY count the number of people lost during the war, because fate of many is still unknown.

There are many reasons for such a big drop in population of Poland - from genocide and warlosses to forced conscription ( Red Army and Wehrmacht), child abduction ('nordic' children were taken from orphanages and hospitals by Germans), changes in borders, population transfers and emigration. Also many Poles were left abroad after the country was occupied by the Soviets.

2nd WW decomposed the ethnic structure of the entire Central-Eastern Europe after all and in Poland everyone lost someone close (my grandfather's sister died in the Warsaw Uprising 1944).

[Veho Nex]

2nd WW decomposed the ethnic structure of the entire Central-Eastern Europe after all and in Poland everyone lost someone close (my grandfather's sister died in the Warsaw Uprising 1944).

Thats sad my G-ma lost her uncle in that

[KrooK]

Yep and my grandparents cousine.