Halikarnassos becomes mine automatically.

**Tiago Toyoda** · 02-28-2007, 05:50

It happened twice already, in two diferent games (first on V. 0.80, and second on V. 0.81), and in two diferent dates (if I'm not mistaken). In both situations I was playing with Koinon Hellenon. In some part of the game, Halikarnassos came to my hands without any fight or diplomacy, then, Arche Seleukia declared war. I don't understand... I'm wondering if there's some kind of bug or something like this. If it was already posted before, send me a link of the discussion and erase it. Thank you.

**skuzzy** · 02-28-2007, 05:58

Sinope and Syracuse ceded to me, they just want to join your powerful league man!

**abou** · 02-28-2007, 06:00

AS conquered it, but then lost it immediately to revolt and you picked it up due to the fact that KH is the creator faction. If you didn't see Halikarnassos besieged before you ended your turn it was most likely that they had spies, who opened the gates.

**Teleklos Archelaou** · 02-28-2007, 06:21

Indeed it is an RTW engine matter - but look at it this way. THey are most similar to your faction than any other faction. They are attacked and occupied by an enemy to their city. The rebel from that city and immediately they join your "koinon" or alliance. No big deal. THey look to you for aid, support, direction, etc., as they know they will be conquered again otherwise. You might try to betray them and give them back to the Ptolemies or whoever else in order to pacify them, but you'd be betraying your own fellow Hellenes. It's perfectly reasonable though (the entire situation), so don't fret about it - just enjoy the circumstance and you can role play with the event also. It's all good.

**Brightblade** · 02-28-2007, 14:53

I wish stuff like that would happen more often... long live the KH!

**Domitius Ulpianus** · 02-28-2007, 15:36

If you attack Halikarnassos you trigger a war with the Ptolemai, right? but I'm guessing that if you win the city this way they won't delcare war ? I'm I right?....interesting anyway.

**Teleklos Archelaou** · 02-28-2007, 15:40

That should be correct DU. But if you win the city this way the Ptolemies still might get irritated (having a large army outside the city for example) and it could cause them to try to retake the city anyway. That's why I noted that if you really want to keep the peace and betray your fellow greeks, you could just give it over to the ptolemies and play nice with them.

**Rilder** · 02-28-2007, 15:54

Yep In my Koinon game I'm Rping that the Seluekids were being tyrants to the people of Hali and they ousted the government in order to Join the City State of Rhodes (also Rping that Rhodes isnt actually a part of the Koinon but a very closely allied state), sparking the Rhodian war, Rhodes seeing a need for its own standing army commissioned a young Athenian Man named Aristophilos Neapolites to defend the new addition to the Rhodian city State, at first he was successful but after taking heavy casualties he was forced to return to rhodes at which the Seluekids took Hali back but after a few more months they revolted back just in time for the young general to move back on to defense, but the Arche planned to oust the Rhodians from the Area and Sent an invasion force to Rhodes and Hali, forcing the general to return to Rhodes and allow hali to fall again.

(gotta love Bi.exe)

**Domitius Ulpianus** · 02-28-2007, 16:10

Originally Posted by Teleklos Archelaou

That's why I noted that if you really want to keep the peace and betray your fellow greeks, you could just give it over to the ptolemies and play nice with them.

NOOOO!!!! first dead than a traitor! LOL

The thing I like about the KH is you really need to pick your fights and pay attention to diplomacy because you can easily make more enemies than you can handle, specially at the beggining. In my current KH campaing I made peace with the AS until I destroyed the Maks, keeping at the same time my alliance with Epeiros...

Then I decided to expand to the east instead of going after Epeiros (I want to keep them between me and the romans as long as necessary).
By the way the Romani sent once an "expeditionary force" that disembarked just outside Sparta (I'im using BI.exe) and then foolishly tried to take the city...after their defeat I offered a ceasefire and they agreed.

So now Im fighting only the Seleucid Empire while keeping peace with everybody else (in fact I have alliances with 7 other factions) but I know that doesn't mean much for the AI. hehe.

Definitively a lot of fun to be had with the KH.

**Centurio Nixalsverdrus** · 03-01-2007, 00:14

I guess it is scripted that AS brakes the Alliance with Makedonia when they take Pergamon? Because that happened to me...

**Count Belisarius** · 03-01-2007, 00:21

Have had this happen playing HK several times. Most often with Halicarnassus, but sometimes with Kallatis, once or twice with Pergamon and Emporion, and once even Olbia.

**cdbavg400** · 03-01-2007, 02:37

Is it possible to have a message of some sort pop up (or one of those messages that scroll down the left side of the screen when you begin a turn) when this sort of thing happens? Too many times I've noticed the alleigence switch too many turns too late, only to have AS or Ptolemy beseige the town and start a massive war I can't sustain.