Why triarii upgrade is cost so high?

[Watchman]

Assuming he has something to do with them, you might as well mention that the assorted Successor elite pikemen are in dire need of getting better stats. I'm not on my home comp now so I can't check the EDU, but IIRC between all the differently-metallic shield dudes and Agemas there was type one that didn't have stats on par with or worse than the humble Pezhetairoi. And I'm pretty sure "less bang for your mnai" was not the intention here...
That is, assuming the matter isn't already known and being taken care of in which case discount all of the above as redundant.

[Sdragon]

Don't know about that but I'm certain that silver shields are monsters. They fight with the strength of hoplites when out of phalanx, this with their usual phalanx ability is a deadly combination.

[Watchman]

For about thousand mnai more to recruit and a round double the upkeep (ie. a round whopping thousand mnai a turn) the Argyraspidai gain one point of both primary and secondary attack skill, two points of defense skill and two points of morale compared to plain Pezhetairoi, judging by what the EDU says.

Quoth the Pet Shop Boys: "Was it worth it ?"

Of the rest of the Successor elite phalanxes, the Chaeonian Agema and Chalkaspidai actually give a whole lot better stats for rather less money. The Klerouchoi Agemata are almost as expensive as the Argyraspidai for stats not meaningfully better than normal Pezzies - indeed both their pike attack skill and base armour rating are worse...

Could be just me, but I've a feeling some of these stats need a bit of revisionin'.

[Arkatreides]

Indeed, I also feel that some things are out of line when it comes to costing/stats.

I did a rough calculation where I consider a 'bang for a buck' stats, essentially just

(Attack+Defense) versus Upkeep

and this is way out of line for some units.

Now before you flame the method, I know that there is WAY more to it than just attack and defense stats, but at least within one category (e.g. all phalangites, all shock cavalry, all archers, etc.) this should be a fairly smooth function (NOT necessarily linear, but smooth) and it is not.

Maybe if we had some idea of how the cost is actually calculated (is this an EB trade secret? ) then we could see for ourselves is the numbers are out of whack.

[Orb]

I think the team calculates according to the historical role of units, not necessarily the stats.

I could be wrong.

[Fondor_Yards]

Also how easy it was to get them. IE the silver shields were the son of richest, most powerful greek and macedonian nobles. The seleucids weren't just rolling around in those type of people iirc.

[Watchman]

Your explanations ring hollow, young Grasshopper.

...plus they don't do a thing to explain the totally raw deal you get with the Kleruchoi Agema, or the wildly varying equipement upgrade costs.

[Rilder]

Don't know about that but I'm certain that silver shields are monsters. They fight with the strength of hoplites when out of phalanx, this with their usual phalanx ability is a deadly combination.

Yea dam right there like the Gestatae(Sp?) of the civilized world.

[Arkatreides]

So, let me get this straight, you would rather have one unit of Argyraspiday (966 upkeep) than 2 units of Pezhetairoi (502 upkeep)?

I cannot really see this ever being the case (unless money is no issue). Both are similar units with similar animations and almost similar stats. What warrents the huge difference in price?

Note: I am not trying to flame/troll/etc, I just want to understand.

[Watchman]

Yea dam right there like the Gestatae(Sp?) of the civilized world.

Looked at the stats of the Basilikon Agema lately ? "Epikletoi Hoplitai on steroids" sums it up pretty well.

[antisocialmunky]

Those guys are awesome ^_^.