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    Is anyone else worried/following this? I'll past an article when the market closes and they can give a better assessment of what happened today.

    It doesn't look good though.

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    http://money.cnn.com/2007/02/27/mark...ex.htm?cnn=yes
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    Dow sinks 500, claws back
    Dow sinks 4 percent, broader market slumps on worries about China, thwarted attack on Cheney, durable orders.
    By Alexandra Twin, CNNMoney.com senior writer
    February 27 2007: 3:50 PM EST

    NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Stock tumbled across the board Tuesday, with the Dow industrials sinking more than 500 points at one point, after declining markets in China and Europe and a steep drop in durable goods orders triggered a massive selloff on Wall Street.

    News that Vice President Dick Cheney was the apparent target in a Taliban suicide bombing attack in Afghanistan added to the day's worries.


    The Dow Jones industrial average (down 384.46 to 12,247.80, Charts) sank as much as 545 points, or about 4 percent, in afternoon trading, though it recovered somewhat and was off about 375 points near the close. The blue-chip barometer has fallen for the last four sessions.

    The broader S&P 500 (down 48.51 to 1,400.86, Charts) index fell 4 percent. Should it end where it stood around 3:00 p.m. ET, it would be the biggest one-day selloff on a percentage basis since may 19, 2003. The S&P 500 also slumped for the previous four sessions.

    The Nasdaq (down 87.41 to 2,417.11, Charts) composite tumbled 4 percent after having slid for the last two sessions.

    The Russell 2000 (down 29.29 to 794.40, Charts) small-cap index lost almost 4 percent.

    Trying to limit the declines, the New York Stock Exchange said it imposed trading curbs as of 1:03 p.m. ET, around the time the Dow slipped 200 points, CNN has confirmed.

    Treasury bonds rallied as investors sought a safe place to park their money while the dollar fell. Oil prices inched higher and gold prices fell.

    Chinese stocks slumped 9 percent Tuesday - the worst one-day selloff in a decade - on concerns that the government would interfere to cool the speculation that drove the Shanghai market up nearly 130 percent last year. (Full story).

    Other Asian markets slumped in tandem. European shares also tumbled.

    "The selloff demonstrates somewhat starkly the inter-connectedness of stock markets around the world," said Hugh Johnson, chief strategist at ThomasLloyd Global Asset Management.

    "Markets can decline in one seemingly isolated part of the world and that decline can be transmitted to other parts of the world through the psychology," he said.

    The slump in world markets exacerbated concerns that Wall Street is due for a selloff after a nearly eight-month rally that has sent the Dow industrials to record highs and the Nasdaq and S&P 500 to more than 6-year highs.

    Market veterans have been looking for a stock selloff for some months now due to the combination of slowing economic and earnings growth expected this year, said Harry Clark, CEO at Clark Capital Management.

    Although some analysts have been calling for a pullback of about 10 percent for the market, Clark said a smaller drop is more likely.

    "We'll probably see a decline of about 4 or 5 percent and then it will be done," Clark said, noting that a lot of the selling will be washed out within the next week or so as the shock wears off.

    ThomasLloyd Global's Johnson agreed that the selling should ease. But markets will "continue to be vulnerable to big decisions by big policy-makers in big places like China," he said.

    A morning report in the United States showed a steeper-than-expected decline in durable goods orders in January, adding to concerns about slowing economic growth.

    Slowing growth ultimately drags on corporate profits, making stocks more expensive relative to earnings.

    For more on the day's economic news including the latest on the housing market, click here.
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    All 30 components of the Dow Jones industrial average fell.

    The drop in durables dragged on blue chips such as Dow components Alcoa (down $1.44 to $33.92, Charts), Caterpillar (down $2.62 to $64.64, Charts), General Motors (down $1.95 to $32.02, Charts) and Boeing (down $2.17 to $86.76, Charts).

    Other losers included the blue-chip average's technology components, IBM (down $3.17 to $93.74, Charts) and Hewlett Packard (down $1.45 to $38.84, Charts).

    Apple Computer (Charts) declined after it said late Monday that its Apple TV will be delayed until mid-March.

    Nordstrom (down $4.04 to $52.56, Charts) slipped 5 percent after reporting weaker-than-expected fourth-quarter financial results.

    Market breadth was negative On the New York Stock Exchange, decliners trounced advancers by more than five to one on volume of 1.79 billion shares. On the Nasdaq, losers beat winners by almost seven to one on volume of 2.35 billion shares.
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    In addition to the durable goods report, the morning brought the latest on housing and consumer confidence.

    Existing home sales grew at a faster-than-expected pace in January, in a report that also showed the pace of sales dropped from a year ago. The median price of a home sold in January was down versus a year ago. (Full story).

    Another report showed that consumer confidence saw a surprise rise in February versus forecasts for a drop.

    Investors were also still digesting Monday reports that former Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan says the economy could fall into a recession by the end of 2007. (Full story).

    Tuesday kicked off a busy week for economic news, with reports due later in the week on fourth-quarter gross domestic product growth, new home sales, personal income and spending and the manufacturing sector.

    Also impacting the market Tuesday: news of a suicide bombing attack at the entrance to the main U.S. military base in Afghanistan during a visit by Dick Cheney. The attack killed at least 23 people. (Full story).

    In Iraq, a bomb that exploded near a soccer field killed 18 children and wounded at least 25 others.

    Treasury prices rallied as investors sought safety, lowering the yield on the benchmark 10-year note to 4.55 percent from 4.62 percent late Monday. Treasury prices and yields move in opposite directions.

    In currency trading, the dollar fell versus the euro and the yen following the durable goods orders report.

    U.S. light crude oil for April delivery rose 41 cents to $61.80 a barrel on the New York Mercantile Exchange. The price of oil rose for the last four sessions.

    COMEX gold for April delivery fell $3.10 to $686.70 an ounce.
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    I'm not a happy bunny right now

    This came a bit sooner and more intense than expected - we will see tomorrow (or in the next days) if it is just an over-reaction to the "crash" in China or if it the starting point of another dip like last year.
    Personally I think the market completely over-reacted, but I have the bad feeling that some more people will panick and that it will go down another 10-15% over the next couple of weeks, before it will go up again.

    Well it cannot always go up ... the timing could have been better though from my personal perspective...

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    The stock market has more in common with surfing then most people realise...
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    I blame global warming...
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    So wait until it stops falling and buy buy buy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devastatin Dave
    I blame global warming...
    Duh! Thanks Captain Obvious.

    It's tough for me to sweat this very much- the only stock I own is in my 401(k) plan, and I'm not going to be touching that for a couple decades yet. Hey, cheap stocks now = bigger profits for me later.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BDC
    So wait until it stops falling and buy buy buy?
    Generally a good idea - the trick is of course to know when it stops falling

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ser Clegane
    Generally a good idea - the trick is of course to know when it stops falling
    doesn't really matter as long as it rises higher than what you bought it for again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by doc_bean
    doesn't really matter as long as it rises higher than what you bought it for again.
    Of course - and that statement would have been just as true yesterday

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    Bonds are rallying.
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    If one invests by dollar cost averaging, I have a percentage of my biweekly paycheck invested in mutual funds/bondfunds/moneymarket funds consistently, then this particular drop is buying on sale. One doesn't lose or make money till they sell their shares. Trying to time the market is just about impossible, better to spread your purchases over time.

    Pay day is this thursday for me, so this market drop is well timed for moi.
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    Well, I just lost a couple of thousands so that sucks. Not planning on selling anytime soon though, hopefully they will rise when I do sell.
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    Me, I saw it all coming and purchased lots of put options last week which I exercised today. Been putting nothing but birdies and eagles the whole day.



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    Invest wisely through diversification of your total investment portfolio and you'll never lose. The simplest truth in U.S. economics is that in the long run the stock market always goes up.

    I rubbed my crystal ball this morning and it told me that Britney Spears was going to cause the market to hiccup....close.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ShadeHonestus
    The simplest truth in U.S. economics is that in the long run the stock market always goes up.
    Yes, but the problem with that is the corollary truth: Over a long enough timeframe, our personal survivability drops to zero. So the market will come back, yes indeedy, but perhaps not at the right time for your retirement. Oh, and it's also quite possible to pick dud stocks that never come back.

    Sorry to nitpick, but I think sometimes people hear that "the market always comes back" and they think it means they're immune in the long run. Only true if (a) you retire at the right time and (b) you diversify, diversify, diversify. Why, I was banking on my Interplay and Pets.com stocks to send my little lemurs to college ...

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    What's the market like for douchebags? Should I invest now or save it for later?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemur
    Yes, but the problem with that is the corollary truth: Over a long enough timeframe, our personal survivability drops to zero. So the market will come back, yes indeedy, but perhaps not at the right time for your retirement. Oh, and it's also quite possible to pick dud stocks that never come back.

    Sorry to nitpick, but I think sometimes people hear that "the market always comes back" and they think it means they're immune in the long run. Only true if (a) you retire at the right time and (b) you diversify, diversify, diversify. Why, I was banking on my Interplay and Pets.com stocks to send my little lemurs to college ...
    The trick is to shift your funds into stable investments before retirement. What if the market goes up and I lose out on making more money for retirement you say? You can take that risk if you want, but if you lose your shirt don't come crying to me. When that money becomes your only source of income, you need to put it into a form that you can count on.

    Right now, I'm invested pretty aggressively but, I have plenty of time for it to recover should something bad happen. A couple decades from now, I'll want to be more cautious.
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    You know the market was over 12000 so this is only a 4 or 5% change… if it were still in the area of 6000 then there would be more reason to worry.

    Also not pleased with computer aided stock selling…some glitch huh…


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemur
    Sorry to nitpick, but I think sometimes people hear that "the market always comes back" and they think it means they're immune in the long run. Only true if (a) you retire at the right time and (b) you diversify, diversify, diversify. Why, I was banking on my Interplay and Pets.com stocks to send my little lemurs to college ...

    Hence why I stated if you diversify. Not to mention that this has less to do with individual stocks as it does the industries you invest in and whether or not you forget how important it is to pay attention to factors in determining the securities and commodities markets. You take all this into account along with money market accounts, the ease of hedge and mutual funds, not to mention people's ability to short sell, you have a market that is always going to make people money.

    As far as retiring at the right, that only goes as far as your plan and financial advisers fall short. If you rely on Timmy the Tulip's rock 'em sock 'em self investment tool with graphs and data you don't even understand....well, go ahead and retire right now, you're just going to lose money. Another way to look at it is this, if you haven't rolled profits to securities periodically and therefor you can't take a 5% or even a 20% hit in the market...well then you invested monday to retire on friday and thats not investment, thats Las Vegas.

    Just as one example, remember that last recession the U.S. had and then 9/11 hit, the market went on oversensitive mode? Well the smart people who were going to retire in the short term invested in gold with a larger than normal percentage allowed under diversification and they just doubled their money....poor bastards.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GoreBag
    What's the market like for douchebags? Should I invest now or save it for later?
    I suggest investing in index funds. They aren't managed to beat the market, just track it. Most managed funds never come close to beating the market, and their fees are much higher than index funds. I like Vanguard funds myself, they have a diverse selection, are well managed, and their fees are some of the lowest in the industry.

    Set up an IRA, contribute on a regular basis, per paycheck if possible (through ones employer would be ideal) to spread the ups & downs of the market around (dollar cost averaging). Diversify in stocks, bonds, money market funds, and except for rebalancing your investment allocation percentages, leave it alone. Trying to time the market is difficult enough for the pros, and most of them fail (but still take the fees from your account no matter if they made money for you or not). For the layman, it's a fools game. Better to let dollar cost averaging and low fees work for you over the long run instead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GoreBag
    What's the market like for douchebags? Should I invest now or save it for later?
    Kay & Co is an India-based manufacturer of such medical supplies (and many others) world-wide. Diligent research can reveal their financial viability and give the potential investor some indication of future earnings. Now or later decisions are best based on estimates of future product demand, managerial expertise, and labour cost containment.

    Kukri's pick: buy in the winter, sell the following spring.
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    Indian douchebags? Intriguing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoreBag
    Indian douchebags? Intriguing.
    Sterile body cavity irrigation devices have been in demand for millenia; sometimes for medical purposes, sometimes for the "piece of mind" of the user. It seems a pretty good bet that trend of demand will continue, if not increase.

    Question is: who can best take the natural resources required, manufacture the end product efficiently, and distribute it quickly to the end market?

    One might thinK "Ha! Rubber = South America", and fund companies close to the most abundant source. Smart, but sooo.. 20th century. Airlift is everything these days. The ability to move... But I digress from the topic.

    Yesterday's 'tumble' was likely caused more by social engineering than by any move from Asia to the Middle-east of product. Computer slowdowns near the close of business of NYSE most likely caused a herd mentality to develop, and a sell-off happened, investors having got jumpy about what 'everybody else (presumeably, better informed) is doing'.
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    Some people asked me when I told them this info. "Is this going to be the Great Depression?"

    To me this seemed silly, the U.S. would step in before such a happening.
    Right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by KukriKhan
    Sterile body cavity irrigation devices have been in demand for millenia; sometimes for medical purposes, sometimes for the "piece of mind" of the user. It seems a pretty good bet that trend of demand will continue, if not increase.
    So, what you're saying is that douchebaguerie is immortal. How true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marshal Murat
    Some people asked me when I told them this info. "Is this going to be the Great Depression?"

    To me this seemed silly, the U.S. would step in before such a happening.
    Right?
    Does this even qualify as a crash ? There`s virtually nothing in the papers about it and the only stock I know something of only went down 3%, after having gained 6% earlier this week.
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    It's not even close to a real crash, but everyone is really ignorant to the fact. When something drops '500 points' they think it's bad, unless they know that the drop of points was out of like 10000.
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    Have you just been dumped?

    I ask because it's usually something like that which causes outbursts like this, needless to say I dissagree completely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KukriKhan
    Computer slowdowns near the close of business of NYSE most likely caused a herd mentality to develop, and a sell-off happened, investors having got jumpy about what 'everybody else (presumeably, better informed) is doing'.
    Seems the computer slowdown 'hid' the gradual donwslide of share prices, until it suddenly appeared on everybody's screen.

    As for the Chinese sell-off that caused it all: ancient ancestor say: 'Small wind can cause lot of dust in overheated atmosphere.'
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    The one predictable constant about the market: it fluctuates. A correction has been predicted by some for weeks now, looks like it has arrived.
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