Hoplites and a trait problem

**Teleklos Archelaou** · 03-01-2007, 17:34

It's not a script - we just can't ensure any armies we place in foreign territories will *do* something there. Too often Antigonos and Pyrrhos just walk away from cities that look like they will be easy captures. We can't do anything about it - it's the engine deciding that it's not a good idea to finish off a weak city that they hate and are at war with and right outside the gates. Go figure.

**NeoSpartan** · 03-01-2007, 18:25

Originally Posted by Teleklos Archelaou

It's not a script - we just can't ensure any armies we place in foreign territories will *do* something there. Too often Antigonos and Pyrrhos just walk away from cities that look like they will be easy captures. We can't do anything about it - it's the engine deciding that it's not a good idea to finish off a weak city that they hate and are at war with and right outside the gates. Go figure.

Maybe the engine thinks its "unfair" to its fellow AI faction to attack it RIGHT in the 1st turn.

**Arkatreides** · 03-01-2007, 18:53

Originally Posted by NeoSpartan

Maybe the engine thinks its "unfair" to its fellow AI faction to attack it RIGHT in the 1st turn.

There might be something in that. I know that you can (almost) always make peace with any nation that you are at war with at the start of the game (first turn) so it might be that the engine does not consider you enough of an enemy right at the start.

This is probably in the same line with it becoming increasingly difficult to (keep) make peace as the game drags on. Some kind of hate-factor is bulding up.

**soibean** · 03-02-2007, 05:14

I know what you mean about the war diplomacy

what about the hoplite bit? Are regional hoplites worthwhile enough to sacrifice another place to get your factional units?

**Danest** · 03-04-2007, 17:14

I'm almost certain that there is a hate factor building up, but it can be brought down with gifts - until they reach the point where they hate you so much that they stop accepting gifts... or anything else. I wonder if a script could effect this hate factor?

**McHrozni** · 03-04-2007, 18:04

Originally Posted by Danest

I'm almost certain that there is a hate factor building up, but it can be brought down with gifts - until they reach the point where they hate you so much that they stop accepting gifts... or anything else. I wonder if a script could effect this hate factor?

Hm, it might be possible to loop it - instant love, hehe. I'd try it if this was 10 years ago, that's for sure

Does anyone know wheather there is anything resembling "fear" factor in the engine, that could, at least theoretically, balance out the "hate" factor in the AI. If there is, it needs a boost. The AI is downright suicidal more often than not.

McHrozni

**antisocialmunky** · 03-05-2007, 17:34

Yes, besieging at a city full of heavy infantry and slingers with a bunch of skirmishers and hoplitai haploi is a bad idea that the AI doesnt' seem to realize.