How many of you trade Retinue?

**Werner** · 03-03-2007, 19:33

I dont trade the retinue traits between characters. I like to role play in that sense I guess, I figure whoever gets them should keep them, but then something occured to me - wouldn't it be great to spam several preists over to some highly orthodox area of the map and let them gain retinue, then move the retinue (full of piety) over to generals or other priests.

You could be pope or have a full piety general within 10 or 15 turns!

**HoreTore** · 03-03-2007, 21:04

Not many ancillaries can be transfered....

**Atalus** · 03-03-2007, 21:44

which ones can be?

**HoreTore** · 03-03-2007, 21:47

I think at least the relics can be.

Not sure about this, but I think all the transferable ancilleries has the line "transferable" in their description in export_descr_ancillary.txt. So you could just look through that file....

**Werner** · 03-03-2007, 23:27

Explain what you mean by ancillaries?

Originally Posted by HoreTore

Not many ancillaries can be transfered....

**HoreTore** · 03-04-2007, 01:24

What you call retinue(crusader knights, pagan magician, etc). They're called ancillaries in the txt files.

**Werner** · 03-04-2007, 03:23

Oh, so you cant trade these freely?

**HoreTore** · 03-04-2007, 03:29

Uhm...As I said, no, only a few can.

Not really sure now, what were you talking about in the original post?

**Werner** · 03-04-2007, 03:42

Trading retinue from priests to one single priest or one single general for maximum piety.

**HoreTore** · 03-04-2007, 03:58

You mean like the monk?

If so, then no, that can't be done...

**stealingjoy** · 03-04-2007, 05:22

It's not like RTW, Werner. It's much more restricted now.

**pevergreen** · 03-04-2007, 09:55

Unless you go into the file and change it manually. Not hard. about 2 minutes work.

**Tezel** · 03-04-2007, 11:56

I could have sworn i have moved my say "tutor" to another general. Just open the one character, and drag the "retuine" or adviser whatever you wanna call it to the other general in the stack, and BINGO, it moves...I am at work so cant dble check it, but swear it has worked before...like my veteran king giving a new son who is 16 a sheildbearer to help keep him alive, etc....

**TevashSzat** · 03-04-2007, 12:53

Most normal ancillaries cannot be transferred. I am pretty sure tutors and shieldbearers cannot

**Bijo** · 03-04-2007, 12:56

Originally Posted by Werner

I dont trade the retinue traits between characters. I like to role play in that sense I guess, I figure whoever gets them should keep them, but then something occured to me - wouldn't it be great to spam several preists over to some highly orthodox area of the map and let them gain retinue, then move the retinue (full of piety) over to generals or other priests.

You could be pope or have a full piety general within 10 or 15 turns!

When I was still playing M2TW I never traded retinue around; took too much time to check out which ones were tradeable. More complex than before, which arguably makes more sense, but ah... it's not needed really to trade 'em.

**Budwise** · 03-04-2007, 13:00

Yeah, I don't move anything over either. I don't feel like giving General A's Dog over to General B. I don't know if I could but it just don't feel right.

**vonsch** · 03-04-2007, 18:43

Originally Posted by Xdeathfire

Most normal ancillaries cannot be transferred. I am pretty sure tutors and shieldbearers cannot

Tutors can be. Or at least I have done so. Not sure about shieldbearers.

I shuffle them mostly off the really bad generals onto the better ones, where allowed. Or to keep them alive if a general is getting old.

**Agent Smith** · 03-05-2007, 01:48

In RTW, I liked trading ancillaries between father and son. It was kind of a neat role playing "inheriting."

**_Tristan_** · 03-19-2007, 18:30

When playing RTW, I was a big fan of trading retinue (ah those exotic slaves...)...

I tried and tried in MTW2 w/o success so far...

Thx to the one in this thread who explained "the transferable" line in the ancillaries file...

I think I will take a look at it and make a few changes...

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I also see it as a roleplay kind of thing... Inheriting from father to son, stealing from general to general...

Moreover, some unique ones I don't like to lose when one character reaches the term of his life...

I'll report back as to the transferability after modding...

**DukeKent** · 03-19-2007, 18:42

I trade retinue a lot. Especially after making most of them transferrable. I would have quit playing M2TW already if I could not mod out the annoyances, or mod in new features like recruitable generals.

**Budwise** · 03-20-2007, 09:59

Originally Posted by Agent Smith

In RTW, I liked trading ancillaries between father and son. It was kind of a neat role playing "inheriting."

You trade his Adultress too? That would be a good role model for
inheriting for the son wouldn't it to "inherit" his mom as a cheap sexual fling. Ewwwwww.

**Didz** · 03-20-2007, 11:08

In the early games I used to routinely pass the positive retinue traits from my older characters to my younger ones. Basically once a character hit 50+ I used to move a younger guy over to him and transfer anything worthwhile across, letting the older guy die a natural death and take the 'Drunken Uncles' with him.

I haven't actually bother doing that with MTW2, and I don't even know if its possible.

**edbenedict77** · 03-29-2011, 02:15

I tried changing retinue from William the conqueror, his drill master to his son Henry and it didn't work then i tried an exp with the venetian faction and the apothecary who was with the Dodge was transferred to councilman barthelomeo.... hummm strange indeed...

**Didz** · 03-29-2011, 10:52

When trading retinue characters you need to be aware that both the generals involved in the trade have to be in the same stack. So, you must move them to meet each other first. That could be the reason for your problem, alternatively it might be because the person you are trying to give the trait too already has one occupying that slot. You can't have two retinue characters occupying the same trait slot, so you might need to dump the one you don't want on a third character to free up the space.

**Myth** · 03-31-2011, 09:29

You can't trade retinue in M2TW like you could in RTW. You can only trade specific artifacts like the relics from the middle east etc. You can't trade Shieldbearers or Hospitalier knight ancillaries.