Milan/HRE Headache--Need Cure!!!!

**TevashSzat** · 03-05-2007, 01:43

Do what Horetore says. There really isn't much you can do about aggressive Milan unless you drastically change playing style and have a marriage alliance, be more powerful than them, have large patrolling armies, and give them tribute every turn. Even then they still might attack you out of spite

**vonsch** · 03-05-2007, 01:58

While you are on best behavior with Milan, you also have a free hand with HRE. Take a city behind the lines and see if they will take it back for a cease fire. Then the turns will be up and you can make Milan pay.

On the other hand, that's all out of character for the French.

Enough obligatory French-bashing...

**Budwise** · 03-05-2007, 03:30

Its funny how everyone is having an HRE/Milan Problem, so am I. After being attacked by HRE and I am Denmark, I completely annialated HRE as terms of being a power at all and left them rot in a few hard to get right now areas. Well, Milan broke my alliance with them too and attacked me. So, I just am getting out of one war and into another. Although no Ceasefire has been declared, the HRE really can't hurt me much right now due to all the sabotage and executions of prisoners so let them rot. Oh, the pope really doesn't like them because England and I take turns being Pope and we are great Allies at this time. I took care of Scotland for them earlier.

**JJx** · 03-05-2007, 05:13

If the Pope is old, let him excomuniate you.
When he die, the new pope will rehabilitate you.
Only use if you can kill Milan soon.

**Suraknar** · 03-05-2007, 11:04

Well...

Milan went after Papal States in my Campaign, they now have most of Itally too.

And about 3 turns ago the Pope himself, washed on my Shores (I play Byzantines), I was like "hey that priest looks nice..opps its the Pope!...shall we invite him for diner in constantinopole's court or...will they think its a Prisoner parade? " ;)

Anyways...I just sent a diplomat and gave him some money (relations are important)...so a couple of turns later A crusade was announced and to my surprise to retake rome..from..the "Infidel"..which happens to be our Milanese catholic boys!

The Papal States have no territory whatsoever, and the pope is 60 yo...I dont know if that afction can perish all together or not (my first campaign)

Now, Milan and HRE are in war with eachother, they are two very aggressive Factions to say the least...the only way I keep em at bay is offer them 1000 florins allong with my map info every 5-10 turns or so as a gift.

**Suraknar** · 03-05-2007, 11:09

Ahh yes forgot the advice ;)

Offering a simple seasefire wont cut it in some situations, offering mucho dinero in the envellope helps, throw in some map info (they already know where you are anyways), and Trade rights to sweaten the whole deal and even if they are abysmal towards you this usually works, the only reason (by experience playing the series) that they would not accept at that point is

A- not enough dinero offered for em to consider it.

B- they know they are about to obliterate you and there is no price for that.

**llewellyn** · 03-05-2007, 18:09

yo man this worked really really well in my first french campaign. take all the modern france and holland and bruges make sure u have metz. pump out knight and spears absolutely no missle troops cus milans are better. then blitz milian taking florence and the two islands off the coast. then you have the money to dominate the game and an experienced army for you german campaign. only problem i found was the venice and sicily both attacked me within 10 turns so i had to take venice naples and palmero......pope hates me, but i am gonna bribe him