Milan/HRE Headache--Need Cure!!!!

[Suraknar]

Well...

Milan went after Papal States in my Campaign, they now have most of Itally too.

And about 3 turns ago the Pope himself, washed on my Shores (I play Byzantines), I was like "hey that priest looks nice..opps its the Pope!...shall we invite him for diner in constantinopole's court or...will they think its a Prisoner parade? " ;)

Anyways...I just sent a diplomat and gave him some money (relations are important)...so a couple of turns later A crusade was announced and to my surprise to retake rome..from..the "Infidel"..which happens to be our Milanese catholic boys!

The Papal States have no territory whatsoever, and the pope is 60 yo...I dont know if that afction can perish all together or not (my first campaign)


Now, Milan and HRE are in war with eachother, they are two very aggressive Factions to say the least...the only way I keep em at bay is offer them 1000 florins allong with my map info every 5-10 turns or so as a gift.

[Suraknar]

Ahh yes forgot the advice ;)

Offering a simple seasefire wont cut it in some situations, offering mucho dinero in the envellope helps, throw in some map info (they already know where you are anyways), and Trade rights to sweaten the whole deal and even if they are abysmal towards you this usually works, the only reason (by experience playing the series) that they would not accept at that point is

A- not enough dinero offered for em to consider it.

B- they know they are about to obliterate you and there is no price for that.

[llewellyn]

yo man this worked really really well in my first french campaign. take all the modern france and holland and bruges make sure u have metz. pump out knight and spears absolutely no missle troops cus milans are better. then blitz milian taking florence and the two islands off the coast. then you have the money to dominate the game and an experienced army for you german campaign. only problem i found was the venice and sicily both attacked me within 10 turns so i had to take venice naples and palmero......pope hates me, but i am gonna bribe him

[ASPER THE GREAT]

Yea Bro, your doing fine Milan & HRE are both aggressive so now you have to decide attack 1 or the other or both at the same time!!!! All the while keeping the Pope happy (bribe him before you do anything check your pope-o-meter if low throw him 500fl/1000fl) then go fight a battle or two or three with Mil, HRE, or both at the same time. Keep doing this so you don't get Xcom until you beat them.

[Mega Dux Bob]

The best way is to look for a mod that set Milan’s personality to something less that rabid psycho conqueror it has now (I think it was that guy being eaten by a snake device that influenced CA in its thinking about Milan). Alternatively embrace the Milan inevitable Milan attack and turn it against them young Jedi; leave Dijon a temping target with a large army lurking in Paris ready to pounce. This will result in the slaughter of many Milan, they will become outraged and foolish. The Pope will excommunicate them for this. Then it is a crusade feeding frenzy time! Rich and fat Milan and Genoa will be yours to fund the punk slapping of the HRE.

[gardibolt]

What worked great in my England game was that the Milanese were aggressive as usual, but they took Rome away from Sicily, who had driven the Pope out. This led the Pope to call a crusade on Rome.

I of course accepted the call, and my crusader armies accidentally killed all of the Milanese cities while on the way to Rome. Wiped out the Milanese with a convenient crusade, gave the city of Rome to the Pope as a gift and you should see him smile on me. And I was happy to have helped him out, because I was sick to death of Milan and their constant spies and assassins.

[TevashSzat]

Yeah, Milan becomes a real pain in the ass late in the game by spamming assasins and spies everwhere. In one turn, venice went from 185 public order down to 65 public order just because Milan decided to send a crazy amount of spies into it while burning down my cathedral.