Shogun 2?

**americancaesar** · 03-05-2007, 00:39

Who knows if there will ever be one, but its always been on my mind since Med first came out. Further, inspired by the topic about which TW game is better (hard to say, for me, depends on my mood), what features of the successors to Shogun should be add to this notional Shogun Total War 2 along with new aspects to the game. Heres some I have been thinking about:

1. Loyalty - a big one concerning the politics of feudal Japan. Sometimes even blood ties weren't thick enough to prevent betrayals. Its been a major thing missing from the old STW since I saw it in MTW1.

2. Diplomacy - the basics of diplomacy really haven't advanced much since STW (though I dont have MTW2, so can comment on it from there), but the options have increased, including trade and vassalage. Nice things to add.

3. Traits and Ancillary characters - they liven up the plain men on the broad and perhaps could even put a few more koku in your pocket or heads in a basket.

Things not to add or change...

1. The battle system of STW1 - unless theres something better, it should be brought into the new game as is
2. The micromanagement of settlements - to be fair, there should be two options, one for those who want to manage every castle town and hamlet and one for those of us who prefer to fight and let the invisible hand do the dirty work.
3. Princesses - not needed
4. No fantasy unites PLEASE! - Geishas and battlefield ninjas are enough. No flaming chickens or Jesuits arqubuseiers please.

Thats all I can think of right now.

AC

**Caliburn** · 03-05-2007, 00:54

It could be nice.

Somehow I can't imagine fleet system similar to RTW or M2TW in Shogun, though.

Japan should give us quite a few nice chokepoints, which means that the AI would have to improve immensely if RTW/M2TW style system is used (which sounds quite likely).

I don't mind gunpowder.

Diplomacy with the Western countries might add a flavor, but somehow can't see that playing a real part.

One thing I don't miss are the huge bonuses generals would give on the battlefield.

**caravel** · 03-05-2007, 02:41

Originally Posted by americancaesar

No flaming chickens

I can picture the tech tree now, you will Upgrade to the famous Horse Dojo and think to yourself, well now I can train Yari Cavalry and Heavy Cavalry, the Legendary Horse Dojo will surely give me an even better cavalry type? Then when the thing is built you'll rush in there eagerly and see that you can now train.... Flaming Chickens! Does that sound familiar to you at all?

**Veho Nex** · 03-05-2007, 21:09

Originally Posted by Cambyses II

I can picture the tech tree now, you will Upgrade to the famous Horse Dojo and think to yourself, well now I can train Yari Cavalry and Heavy Cavalry, the Legendary Horse Dojo will surely give me an even better cavalry type? Then when the thing is built you'll rush in there eagerly and see that you can now train.... Flaming Chickens! Does that sound familiar to you at all?

Fear my flaming chickens but a good addition would be the dutch trade fortresses and another good thing would be if you ambush an enemy army it becomes slightly easier with BF Ninja's shoot class is starting and teachers mad bye

**Bijo** · 03-05-2007, 23:29

@americancaesar
I wouldn't mind seeing a Shogun 2 arise, more or less the way you proposed in the first post.

The graphics should basically stay as they are now like in M2TW, though. I mean the same kind of quality and such :)

**caravel** · 03-06-2007, 01:12

When you upgrade to the Legendary Sword Dojo you'd get Naked Screaming Geisha Fanatics... Oh well one can only dream...

Not that I'm advocating fantasy units or anything!

**Andres** · 03-06-2007, 17:28

Originally Posted by Cambyses II

When you upgrade to the Legendary Sword Dojo you'd get Naked Screaming Geisha Fanatics... Oh well one can only dream...

Not that I'm advocating fantasy units or anything!

The avatar and the username might have changed, but the sense of humor is still the same

**Puzz3D** · 03-06-2007, 17:33

I can hardly wait: Shogun 2 Arcade War.

**caravel** · 03-07-2007, 10:04

Yes it's: up, down, down, down, up, left, left left, fire to execute the leaping spinning hair pin throw... armour piercing of course. You will know you've pulled it off if the screen suddenly goes black and thunderclouds and lightning appear overhead, she will leap through the air and utter the legendary "TATISMUKIMSUMIFANTASIUNITOMUKOOTOMOISUKUUUUGAH!!!!" and unleash the special move. If you fail to pull it off then you will scream, and wail in anguish, pull at your hair, curse loudly, eat half of your keyboard, tear off your clothes and disappear into the wilderness for several days.

**Sasaki Kojiro** · 03-08-2007, 02:11

If they do it, they should remove a bunch of the economic and diplomatic options. A war that will be fought in 5-10 years shouldn't be decided by such things.

The generals traits would be really nice. It was one of the features I looked forward to most in mtw. Unfortunatly I don't think I ever got one in battle, you hardly ever seemed to fight and you had bunches of good generals anyway. Not like shogun where I would take my rank 3 daimyo and fight with him until he was rank 6.