Shogun 2?

[Veho Nex]

Well,

I do long for a Shogun2, however, with a broader view, including other parts of Asia is a must.

Maybe an AsiaTW with Shogun Expansion, the other side of the world equivalents of MTW, and VI expansions.

Maybe they should team up with the folks from Dynasty Warriors and if they did japan might be an expansion or a 1 territory thing

[TheLastSerenade666]

Yes, I must agree, a Shogun 2 would be very interesting, we can only hope I guess. Just hope all the flaws with the first few Shogun games dont follow it.

[Suraknar]

You know, it seems like the Ran No Jidai mod is close to release, and from what I saw the modders there did some extraordinary work already...

So we may get to play a Shogun2 quite soon after all :)

[americancaesar]

Indeed, I cant wait for that release.

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

Hi Suraknar,

So we may get to play a Shogun2 quite soon after all :)

If you have M:TW you can play a, sort of, Shogun II straight away! There is a highly popular modification called Samurai Warlords which is a port of the original Shogun game to the greatly improved Medieval engine. Hope this helps you, cheers!

[moomo]

Hot thread!
Shogun 2?!! SURE!

Shogun 2 is a must.

I saw an interesting thing: it is a post, somewhere around, dated a few months before the release of MTW2, talking about how interesting it would be to have ladders to climb the walls, siege towers and other siege equipment. I don't know how this worked, but all that can be seen in MTW2. So, one way or another, there is some good feedback online.

I think not only is nice to tell whether you want STW2 (it's not worth to tell you don't want it) but also to explain what new features should be inserted and what old ones should remain, how do you expect the game to appear and so on.

I'd see:

1. Keep the clean, simple, japan style controls on the battle and map desktop. Go japan style. Not too big not too small, only what you need. Create a few (3 I'd say) option sets: minimum, normal, full controls (m&b = map and battle).

2. And from 1: Let us choose among 3-4 modes to play the game as battle and map strategy (independent - one setting for the map and another for the battle): rudimentary, normal, rich, complex controls in the battle and map. This is about complexity of actions requierd from the player.

3. In fact, I think they should first produce a Shogun remake cause it was so cool, upgrading tehnicaly, but keeping the game as close as possible to the first version. And only after that thinking about a new S2 game. But I think this is not realistic (2 versions) cause no one (at CA) announced their intentions to go back and even start thinking about S2.

4. Not too many fancy new units, stick to the old game, make it 3D, good grapfics. Or, create a historically accurate set of units, like in S1 (keep them as they are and maybe include some historically relevant type of units) and a freestyle alternative set of units. Allow the mix if the player wants to.

5 Put some really unic fight scenes in it. Let the samurai masters of the sword impress us. Outclass the two steps forward, two steps back fight dance of the old S. More realistic fighting situations and scenes (You may say I go with the battles.)

6. So I'd say more freedom to the players, give them the opportunity to create their own highly distinct enviroment within the game. Let them "touch" the worlds they never lived in but upon whom's magic and appeal you created your game concept.

7 Create a camera mode that enables every angle. Remove the slope as you can see it in M2. Allow the camera to look straight down and at any angle (360x360 degrees at all hights).

8. This is getting crazy: Allow the player to enter into the skin of his daimyo/general and fight on the battlefield. Give bonuses for this action and penalties if killed. So, as the deployment of the general's hatamoto to really decide the faith the battle give bonus to all troops and especially the general's. If the player its killed in the "hatamoto mode" finish off his campaign or make him suffer definitive defeat. Make this mode available also for Multiplayer internet.
It's not so crazy since it was done in an old game, "Dungeon keepers" or something like that. There it made no big difference but here it can do a lot.

9. Allow the Shogun to move his army into the continent or even move him to Europe and meet the units from M2...! You can find an imaginary explanation scenario. The problem with conquering the mainland Asia is the sensibility of the Koreans and Chinese. If you stumble upon that let Shogun fight Europe. How about, after a few more games in the series a unified, all in one, (Medieval) World Total War. In fact, I think you should take that very seriously because this is where it leads.
And by the way, Mike Simpson, if you want this to go on "forever" I can be of help with some ideas...at least until I get old or something else... Maybe ideas is not what you're lacking.

10. Oh, yeah! Optional movies, poems, theatre, tea, sword, bow, riding practice to upgrade your generals (this can be 11.), optional everything.

Arguments:
1. There are many Japan/Shogun TW funs. Samurai period has a lot of potential and it will never get depleted. Japan has it's appeal upon the rest of the world as well as on natives but in different manners. The same goes with europe.
2. ShogunTW made the big impact and won the market.
3. Those people that loved it made interesting modes and improvements and know the game inside very well. Reach out for them. Make them work along you.

Ohh! And keep on selling us dreams! We just love them, as long as they hide the real world from us. You're good at it and getting better.



To be continued!

[Veho Nex]

I think that you should have a battle map screen before each battle and you have to talk to all your commanders and then set it up and say how they should attack. Also going into your general and fighting as him = not good idea(it would turn into another hack and slash game[which almost no true shogun player wants]) but i've always thought of including the invasions of korea and china good points to be added to Shogun total war. also if when ever you sent out an order a runner will appear and try and reach him your one of your units waves a flag or something. also if your comander doesn't think it's right to send all your cav into a bunch of pointy sticks(which isn't the smart thing) then he can send a notice back to you saying he won't do it. Or if you can assasinate an enemy general during battle with some battle feild ninja's or something

[Sjakihata]

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Hey! You stole my avatar!

Yes, a shogun 2 only with Japan, no boats and good ol'e samurais would be nice. Although, if they ever release a shoggy 2 it probably wouldnt be worth playing.

[Suraknar]

Nice ideas moomo,

Getting in to Damyo skin does not sound very appealing to me...

Could be interesting...but if it turns it in to a hack n slash game....donno..I am a skeptic of that.

On the other hand, it could have more develloped Diplomacy...and "Honor Rating"...if a general's rating or even the damyo's go down too much...sepuku time.

As for sensitivity...well its Alternate History only starting from real historical setting...if we have slavery in all the others, I see no reason to make a fuss about China or Korea invading Japan and vice versa...its a game...

Althought I know this view may not be asian, but if I was asian and people wanted a game about my country's history I would feel honored. It may even help out in ironing sensitivities.

In any case, I would love to be able to try out the possibilities. Be able to put Sun Tzu and Bushido in to practice throught a Total War Interface.