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    master of the pwniverse Member Fragony's Avatar
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    Default Re: Is this much different from going on jihad?

    Quote Originally Posted by ShadeHonestus
    People left the US and the UK to aid rebel movements throughout Central America in the 80's. Is it because the struggle in the Middle East is seen incorrectly as religious that we draw the line?

    Most scholars of any eruditon about the region will tell you that the Jewish/Arab conficts are largely secular. Even religious leaders in the region, who aren't radicals, will tell you the many secular basis for the conflicts. The rhetoric on the nightly news and newspapers preach the religious aspects and not the reality.
    Zionist jews want a bigger Israel, and their motives are mostly religious. Arabs don't like that and religion comes in handy there, no scholar would ever throw it on just demographics as either side has a very big crowd to please. Pan's question was if this is much different from Jihad, and I think that the assumption that this conflict is incorrectly seen as religious is a very big mistake. Zionists/jihadists, both holy struggles, can't we just kill them all get along.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fragony
    Zionist jews want a bigger Israel, and their motives are mostly religious. Arabs don't like that and religion comes in handy there, no scholar would ever throw it on just demographics as either side has a very big crowd to please. Pan's question was if this is much different from Jihad, and I think that the assumption that this conflict is incorrectly seen as religious is a very big mistake. Zionists/jihadists, both holy struggles, can't we just kill them all get along.
    Of course, I wouldn't care what this chap does if we can just cordon the whole area off as I've suggested before. Want to travel there to join in the scrap? Feel free. Just don't expect to be ever let back into the EU again. To avoid Brit-on-Brit fratricide, don't put any peacekeeping forces in their way, but just let them fight to their hearts' content. Arabs want to push the Jews into the sea? Feel free if they are capable of it. Jews want to push the Arabs into the desert? Feel free if they are capable of it. If any Europeans want to join the fight, let them, but bar them from ever returning. Someone in the RTR thread suggested deporting their immediate family as well, which would suit me fine. Let them do whatever they want, but keep us out of it. It's nothing to do with us.

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    Default Re: Is this much different from going on jihad?

    For any country to avoid what you describe as the Brit on Brit fatricide, they would have to deny peacekeeping forces as only a very few countries can boast having no Jewish or Arab emmigration to the area.

    I don't see the world in such all or nothing terms. The story of brother vs brother can be read and retold in almost every conflict.
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