Is this much different from going on jihad?

**Adrian II** · 03-06-2007, 23:24

It's all very well to refer to flying eagles and tigers and whatnot, but am I the only one to gave a second thought to the word aliyah?

It originally means 'ascent' and has acquired the meaning of (r)emigration to Israel with the intent to live there permanently and definitively. This is how I understand the guy's argument: I will settle in Israel, become an Israeli and absolve my three years of compulsory military service there.

It doesn't seem to me that he will retain his British nationality. He will become an Israeli and the question about his loyalty is a non-issue.

**Pannonian** · 03-06-2007, 23:31

Originally Posted by Adrian II

It's all very well to refer to flying eagles and tigers and whatnot, but am I the only one to gave a second thought to the word aliyah?

It originally means 'ascent' and has acquired the meaning of (r)emigration to Israel with the intent to live there permanently and definitively. This is how I understand the guy's argument: I will settle in Israel, become an Israeli and absolve my three years of compulsory military service there.

It doesn't seem to me that he will retain his British nationality. He will become an Israeli and the question about his loyalty is a non-issue.

In which case I hope he will pursue his further education, if he plans on it, when he goes to Israel, and not waste any more British taxpayers' money on him. If he is so much more in touch with his Jewish heritage than his British upbringing, get him there ASAP so we can wash our hands of him. We're not too fond of British Muslims who proclaim a greater loyalty to the Islamic nation than to Britain, so I don't see why it should be different for others.

**Adrian II** · 03-07-2007, 00:05

Originally Posted by Pannonian

If he is so much more in touch with his Jewish heritage than his British upbringing, get him there ASAP so we can wash our hands of him.

I don't get it. Are you advocating the punitive deportation of a British citizen because of his personal views (which is illegal)? I probably dislike him just as much as you, but there is no legal basis whatsoever to contest a British citizen's stated wish to emigrate.

**ShadeHonestus** · 03-07-2007, 00:31

What I've heard is, "I'm more British than you, so diaf, or the UK shouldn't put peacekeeping troops anywhere near Israel."

**Tribesman** · 03-07-2007, 01:12

The hypothetical actions of one member of the IDF doesn't make them all terrorists,

Thats rather a silly statement , since the actions are not hypothetical they are real , or is it a case of you don't follow the news or you cannot remember it .

Nowhere did I suggest that the actions of one soldier makes all the soldiers terrorists...... so that is one of Dorothys companions in somewhere that sure don't look like Kansas wabbit ....... but soldiers with similar symaphies have commited acts of terrorism against people because they view their government as traitors to the Jewish people (though that is now extended so that the IDF as well as the government are the traitorous enemy of the Jewish people , you really should visit some of the Kahane forums Rabbit to enjoy their enlightened views about their "religeous" duties

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One goal of the IDF is to fight terrorism such as this, and he is joining the IDF, not some terrorist organization.

Yep and the British army fights terrorism , yet people who joined and had sympathies towards terrorist organisation committed terrorist acts .(I suppose you are going to try and say that is another hypothetical situation

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**Pannonian** · 03-07-2007, 00:56

Originally Posted by Adrian II

I don't get it. Are you advocating the punitive deportation of a British citizen because of his personal views (which is illegal)? I probably dislike him just as much as you, but there is no legal basis whatsoever to contest a British citizen's stated wish to emigrate.

Erm, no, I'm saying if he really does feel strongly that he's Jewish first, Israeli second, and British nowhere, then he should carry out his plan to move there ASAP and avoid continued drawing from British taxmoney. I doubt if the amount of taxes he's paid balances the amount the British state has spent on him, and he's not going to repay his share in the future as a matter of principle, so morally he should follow his principles and get himself to Israel ASAP, to become part of the Israeli state.

**KukriKhan** · 03-07-2007, 01:13

I'm saying if he really does feel strongly that he's Jewish first, Israeli second, and British nowhere, then he should carry out his plan to move there ASAP and avoid continued drawing from British taxmoney. I doubt if the amount of taxes he's paid balances the amount the British state has spent on him, and he's not going to repay his share in the future as a matter of principle, so morally he should follow his principles and get himself to Israel ASAP, to become part of the Israeli state.

Do you feel the same way about all Brit emigre's? Or just those who join non-Brit armies? Or just ...?

And I wonder if citizens of so-called 'nanny-state' countries, which DO invest a lot of tax money in their fellow citizens feel some sort of obligation to give back to that state, and feel that their fellow citizens should too - and not "desert" to some other country?

**Crazed Rabbit** · 03-07-2007, 02:09

The IDF, the organization he wants to join, is not a terrorist organization, tribesy.

Considering that you say that the group is banned as a terrorist group in Israel, would that not mean the IDF, if anything, would work against them?

Tribesy, than what was the point even of your responding to the above?

He's not going to go help terrorists, rendering whatever point you had behind calling the flying eagles reference BS worthless.

but soldiers with similar symaphies

Oh, you're a psychic now are you?

though that is now extended so that the IDF as well as the government are the traitorous enemy of the Jewish people

So you're trying to call him a terrorist while he joins a group his supposed terrorist group hates?

Whatever argument you have behind the trolling is based on a serious of very big assumptions about possible what-ifs.

Crazed Rabbit

**Tribesman** · 03-07-2007, 08:22

Oh, you're a psychic now are you?

So not are you forgetful of the sympahies this person has expressed you are also forgetful of the expressed symphies of those who have been convicted in Israeli courts for the actions you believe are ...what was it again....oh yeah hypothetical

Tribesy, than what was the point even of your responding to the above?

rendering whatever point you had behind calling the flying eagles reference BS worthless.

wabbit is confused . the Eagle squdrons reference is about the legal position of the American government and American citizens joining foriegn forces .

So you're trying to call him a terrorist while he joins a group his supposed terrorist group hates?

hmmmmm....lived a very sheltered existance have you then rabbit , quite cut off from the real world ?