Is this much different from going on jihad?

**Pannonian** · 03-07-2007, 00:56

Originally Posted by Adrian II

I don't get it. Are you advocating the punitive deportation of a British citizen because of his personal views (which is illegal)? I probably dislike him just as much as you, but there is no legal basis whatsoever to contest a British citizen's stated wish to emigrate.

Erm, no, I'm saying if he really does feel strongly that he's Jewish first, Israeli second, and British nowhere, then he should carry out his plan to move there ASAP and avoid continued drawing from British taxmoney. I doubt if the amount of taxes he's paid balances the amount the British state has spent on him, and he's not going to repay his share in the future as a matter of principle, so morally he should follow his principles and get himself to Israel ASAP, to become part of the Israeli state.

**Tribesman** · 03-07-2007, 01:12

The hypothetical actions of one member of the IDF doesn't make them all terrorists,

Thats rather a silly statement , since the actions are not hypothetical they are real , or is it a case of you don't follow the news or you cannot remember it .

Nowhere did I suggest that the actions of one soldier makes all the soldiers terrorists...... so that is one of Dorothys companions in somewhere that sure don't look like Kansas wabbit ....... but soldiers with similar symaphies have commited acts of terrorism against people because they view their government as traitors to the Jewish people (though that is now extended so that the IDF as well as the government are the traitorous enemy of the Jewish people , you really should visit some of the Kahane forums Rabbit to enjoy their enlightened views about their "religeous" duties

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One goal of the IDF is to fight terrorism such as this, and he is joining the IDF, not some terrorist organization.

Yep and the British army fights terrorism , yet people who joined and had sympathies towards terrorist organisation committed terrorist acts .(I suppose you are going to try and say that is another hypothetical situation

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**KukriKhan** · 03-07-2007, 01:13

I'm saying if he really does feel strongly that he's Jewish first, Israeli second, and British nowhere, then he should carry out his plan to move there ASAP and avoid continued drawing from British taxmoney. I doubt if the amount of taxes he's paid balances the amount the British state has spent on him, and he's not going to repay his share in the future as a matter of principle, so morally he should follow his principles and get himself to Israel ASAP, to become part of the Israeli state.

Do you feel the same way about all Brit emigre's? Or just those who join non-Brit armies? Or just ...?

And I wonder if citizens of so-called 'nanny-state' countries, which DO invest a lot of tax money in their fellow citizens feel some sort of obligation to give back to that state, and feel that their fellow citizens should too - and not "desert" to some other country?

**Crazed Rabbit** · 03-07-2007, 02:09

The IDF, the organization he wants to join, is not a terrorist organization, tribesy.

Considering that you say that the group is banned as a terrorist group in Israel, would that not mean the IDF, if anything, would work against them?

Tribesy, than what was the point even of your responding to the above?

He's not going to go help terrorists, rendering whatever point you had behind calling the flying eagles reference BS worthless.

but soldiers with similar symaphies

Oh, you're a psychic now are you?

though that is now extended so that the IDF as well as the government are the traitorous enemy of the Jewish people

So you're trying to call him a terrorist while he joins a group his supposed terrorist group hates?

Whatever argument you have behind the trolling is based on a serious of very big assumptions about possible what-ifs.

Crazed Rabbit

**Tribesman** · 03-07-2007, 08:22

Oh, you're a psychic now are you?

So not are you forgetful of the sympahies this person has expressed you are also forgetful of the expressed symphies of those who have been convicted in Israeli courts for the actions you believe are ...what was it again....oh yeah hypothetical

Tribesy, than what was the point even of your responding to the above?

rendering whatever point you had behind calling the flying eagles reference BS worthless.

wabbit is confused . the Eagle squdrons reference is about the legal position of the American government and American citizens joining foriegn forces .

So you're trying to call him a terrorist while he joins a group his supposed terrorist group hates?

hmmmmm....lived a very sheltered existance have you then rabbit , quite cut off from the real world ?

**Banquo's Ghost** · 03-07-2007, 11:05

I'd appreciate it if we could debate this issue without getting too personal.

Particularly, the adjustment of a member's username - whilst I understand this is meant as an expression of affection in this case, it may be seen as condescending by others.

Thank you kindly.

**Slyspy** · 03-07-2007, 14:14

I don't know why everyone is getting so worked up about a post on another forum by an individual.

EDIT: Please let's not make personal attacks against members, especially if they are not here to defend themselves. BG

**Tribesman** · 03-07-2007, 19:31

I'd appreciate it if we could debate this issue without getting too personal.

Nah lets make it personal .....So Banquo , as someone who joined another countries military , as someone who has expressed sympathies for republican ideals (whatever they amount to nowadays but in no way implying you support republican terrorism which is quite different) . Were you tempted to avail of the oppertunity to join a British regiment that cannot serve in the 6 ?

Now while it would be better if Son of a Star was to post and clarify a few things about which rabbi he is going to listen to tell him when the time has come for him to to complete his journey .............
..... but till then some thoughts for Rabbit to consider , concerning problems the Israeli government and IDF is having with some of its soldiers , not the namby pamby I ain't gonna serve in illegally occupied territories ones , the ones who refuse to act against the extremists when they are ordered to , and in some cases join them because.....errrrrrrr.........ummmmmm....ah of course ..... because their sympathies lie with the extremists not with the government and army they "serve".

But then again perhaps he is too confused over trying to work out why the Eagle Squadrons were such a bad example for someone to suggest reading up on .

**Banquo's Ghost** · 03-08-2007, 10:33

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Nah lets make it personal .....So Banquo , as someone who joined another countries military , as someone who has expressed sympathies for republican ideals (whatever they amount to nowadays but in no way implying you support republican terrorism which is quite different) . Were you tempted to avail of the oppertunity to join a British regiment that cannot serve in the 6 ?

Oh dear, I suspect my inconsistencies are about to be exposed - which is not a happy prospect on a cold morning.

My republicanism is rooted in my family's (and personal) commitment to a fully united Ireland where all Irishmen enjoy the benefits of liberty, equal rights and freedom from religious persecution or controls. It is not a party political republicanism.

My belief requires that the Protestants and Unionists of the north have just those rights - and while they desire to remain part of the United Kingdom, whilst it frustrates my personal hopes, it should be a determination left to that community - influenced I hope by good argument.

My perhaps quixotic reasons for joining the British Army were influenced by the belief that the PIRA and its terrorism fundamentally subverted the Ireland I believed in. The only way for me to be true to my ideals, was (perversely) to join the forces of the country my ancestors had fought so long to eject - though again, plenty of the men in the vault worked closely with the occupiers when it suited. Of course, young men are too idealistic, and it wasn't long after the start of my first tour in Ulster that I understood a bit more of the complexities. (Ground glass sandwich, anyone?)

So part of my reasons to join was to serve in the North - to serve the Irish people, regardless of the coloured cloth they waved on the 12th.

Yes, naive. One is at 21.

*Awaits Tribesman's scythe.*