Financial problem

[Alkiviadis]

Hi...
I am playing as KH and i have financial bleeding in Rhodes...
The year is 257 BC and i had -2570 mnai!!!
This bleeding effects and the other cities as well...
Can anyone tell me what happends? and what is wrong with this city?
Thanks...

[CountArach]

First piece of advice. Ignore the figures shown below the city. The only financial information that is important and worth anything is the one that is available after you click your faction icon.

The numbers below the city represent what the city is making AFTER you deduct what it is paying for army upkeep.

Alright, as to improving your financial position, pour every mnai you can into improving your trade ports. As KH these will really start to rake in the cash very early on. If you are not making a profit, then disband a unit of cavalry or something. This alone is usually enough to kick-start my economy as just about anyone. Ships are also GREAT for this.

Well the other piece of advice that I have is to conquer one of the Makedonian settlements. Not only do you get a new city, and as such more wealth, but you also weaken your main opponent.

[Alkiviadis]

Thanks for your quick reply...
I have allready Pella,Thermon,Demetrias,Kydonia and Athens,Korinth,Sparta of caurse.The year is about 257BC.
This financial bleeding make my campaign to have slow progress...
When you say army upkeep you propably mean the size of my army that i have in the settlement...or not?
The same problem seems to have in Thermon...

[Ower]

Well thats the way it should be, because KH never became a empire:P so your progres as this faction should be somhow slower, I meen the progress

[Alkiviadis]

In my previous campaign (0.8) i had not this problem...

[Batahr]

No Alkiviadis, it's not just the troops that are garrisoned there that are being paid. Each city pays a percentage of the upkeep of ALL your troops/agents/fleets equal to the percentage of your total population living in that city. In your case I suspect Rhodos and Thermon are quite large, so they're paying a large part of the upkeep.

An example: say you have one really large city (your capital) with 30,000 inhabitants and 6 small ones with 5,000 inhabitants each, making your total population 60,000 people. Because half of the population lives in your capital, that city will pay half the upkeep of all your troops/ships/agents, irregardless of where they are or what they are doing (like acting as a garrison of another city). So most likely your capital will 'lose' money fast, but the other cities (who are only paying 1/12th of the upkeep each) make up for this. That's why you really shouldn't pay any attention at the numbers you see for each city, but only look at the total. If over all you're making money it's all good, otherwise you'll have a problem soon :)

[Alkiviadis]

Thanks a lot Batahr...
Thermon is big city,but had 1 unit inside...
I noticed that when i am bringing some units there the money grow up for a while...
I understand the things you said,but i dont't understand why the Rhodes loosing money very quick in the game...
Athens is my capital,large city,Pella the same,Rhodes the same,but i am loosing a lot of money from Rhodes...Why?
But if you want, tell me the way to make the cities profitably...
Thanks anyway...

[Sdragon]

Athens has mines doesn't it? That pushes it up by quite a bit. Like what's been said, bigger the city the bigger the contribution they make to your army costs (regardless of where they are). It doesn't matter how rich the city is, it will still be charged for that army. If you look at the finance scroll for individual settlements you'll see how much the city really makes. You'll also notice that it will be paying a whole lot as well No city losses money, the game just gives that impression. Try training troops in Athens. Ether the same or next turn those troops will make Rhodes 'lose' more money.

[Ower]

In my previous campaign (0.8) i had not this problem...

One of the reasons is that Mines dont give as much income as in 0.8

[Cataphract_Of_The_City]

I never had any kind of problems with money (Roman, KartHadast, Baktria campagns) in the last two builds. I don't know if it because I try to use smaller and less armies or because of economy changes.

[blacksnail]

0.80 had a fairly, erm, "accelerated" economy for many of the western factions. This has been toned down considerably in 0.81, but we're still working at getting the balance right.

[Tellos Athenaios]

Though I haven't had any economy problems with KH either. Main thing to do is minimize the number of enemies you have, and to get trade rights with everyone else.

[CaesarAugustus]

Get trade right with every faction you are not at war with, disband units or send them to be depleted in battle, and try to focus on building economical buildings on coastal provinces (which is pretty much all of Greece.) Islands like Rhodes and Crete are untouchable, so you don't have to worry about maintaining a large garrison, and can focus on economic improvements.

[Alkiviadis]

Thanks a lot guys for the quick reply...
Thanks for the tips,but it seems that i began to build economic buildings too late...
Because i can't explain that Athens would be supposed most profitable city,in that moment make only 900 mnai...
By the way in most of my cities i had trade docks with 4 trade fleets,and 6 trade fleets...
By now i had all the cities of Adriatike and all the cities from Thermon to Segestica have negative earnings...
Pergamos the same,and you can imagine the situation..
By now,i am in war with Rome and Pontos and is very difficult...
Only Pella and Byzantion earnings are more than 1000 mnai...

[Sdragon]

Disband your fleets that you don't absolutely need. Use only the troops that you have to have to win. If you have too many, go off and conquer somewhere, less men to pay afterwards and more income for the empire.

[Alkiviadis]

Thanks a lot