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    In February, two anti-whaling activists (one from Australia, one from Los Angeles), intending to attack a Japanese whaling ship near Antarctica with a bottle of acid and a smoke bomb, got lost in the fog in their small dinghy and were rescued with the help of several boats, including the whaler. However, as soon as the activists were safe, one thanked the Japanese crew but said, "I guess we're back on schedule, and we'll be pursuing you again." Shortly after that, the activists approached the whaler and tossed the acid onto the deck, injuring two crew members. [Philadelphia Inquirer-AP, 2-11-07]


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    Hmmmmm, what pisses me of more, militant biojugend or whalers, tough one. Can't we just sink them both?

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    I agree with Fragony!

    Which is a shock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fragony
    Can't we just sink them both?
    I can tell you how to sink that Greenpeace ship...



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    MUHA so that is actually true, you don't make it easier you know, now I have to chose between the biojugend, the whalers and the french.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fragony
    MUHA so that is actually true, you don't make it easier you know, now I have to chose between the biojugend, the whalers and the french.

    Thats easy, just tell the French you are going to sink them and they'll cooperate and sink themselves. The whalers are just trying to make a living so leave them alone. The biojugend are just haters of mankind, so they'll eventually look in the mirror and sink themselves as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by luigi VI di Fatlington
    I can tell you how to sink that Greenpeace ship...
    Let's not flatter ourselves, shall we? Frenchmen don't know how to sink ships, they plant bombs at low tide and pray that the fuses are waterproof.

    I still wonder what those two imbeciles though they were doing when they bombed that ship in Auckland harbour. The French Defense minister had to resign, blondie spent two years in the clink and France had to pay $7 million in compensation which was used to finance a brand spanking new Rainbow Warrior. Mission accomplie!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ShadeHonestus
    The whalers are just trying to make a living so leave them alone.
    I think they get a lot of unfair criticism, if they over-fish Whales they'l bring their own downfall anyway...

    i dont much like animal activists - they take away from a lot of the good work that the majority of good animal rights people do...

    as for the French and boat sinking.... let's not go there....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scurvy
    as for the French and boat sinking.... let's not go there....
    Say what!?


    Tell you what! Why don't you send the Royal Navy over here and we'll, err, we will erm...just like we did in...we...uh






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    Hilarious, Luigi.

    Note to self - let any stranded 'sea shepards' di...- live out their lives without interference by modern human machinations.

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    Does anyone want to post about the Greenpeace ship offering to help in saving the whalers?

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    Efforts continued today to save a disabled Japanese whaling ship which caught fire off the Antarctic coast, after an offer of help by the environmental group Greenpeace was rejected.

    Anti-whaling ship and Nisshin Maru - Greenpeace offer to save stricken whaler
    Activists' ship and Nisshin Maru, pictured earlier this month

    Japanese officials said the 8,000-ton Nisshin Maru - left without engine power and carrying hundreds of thousands of litres of oil - posed no environmental threat.

    Other ships from the whaling fleet have been helping to stabilise the ship and fight the blaze, which broke out yesterday and has left a crewman missing, presumed dead.

    Greenpeace had said it was willing to send its ship the Esperanza - in the Southern Ocean to try to stop the whale hunt - to help.

    The expedition's leader, Karli Thomas, said: "Our first thoughts are for the missing crewman and the rest of the people on board. This is not a time to play politics."
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    But Glenn Inwood, a spokesman for the Institute of Cetacean Research which runs Japan's whaling programme, told the Associated Press news agency: "The whole Greenpeace offer is a red herring. Their assistance is not required and will not be accepted."

    A spokesman for the Japanese fisheries agency said Greenpeace had not been in touch, though the Nisshin Maru might have refused help because the ship was boarded by Greenpeace activists in New Caledonia in 1998.

    The Nisshin Maru has been lashed between two other ships to stop it drifting ice while crew members fight to contain the fire below deck.

    A spokesman for New Zealand's maritime agency told Reuters reporters that fears of an oil or chemical spillwere had eased after the crew managed to pump away excess water and correct the list to the ship.

    It is not yet known whether the vessel will be able to restart its engines. It has been wallowing without power, less than 100 miles from the world's largest Adelie penguin colony, in an area known for stormy weather.

    Anti-whaling activists have not been linked with the fire, which could put an end to the whaling season if the ship remains inoperable.


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    Japanese whale processing ship, the Nisshin Maru, is steaming north out of Antarctic waters under its own power.

    The vessel successfully restarted its engines on Sunday morning, after repairs to wiring caused by a fatal fire.

    A spokesman for the Japanese whaling industry says restoring power was always likely and that Greenpeace and the Conservation Minister hyped up the environmental risk to gain media exposure.

    "I am delighted the Japanese have got the ship going. It's been dead in the water for almost two weeks and the Japanese have been extraordinary lucky with the weather," Chris Carter says.

    The ship caught fire 10 days ago, claiming the life of a crewman.

    Listing badly, it was then lashed to other Japanese boats while repairs were carried out.

    A spokesman for the whalers says fears of an environmental disaster have been exaggerated.

    "It certainly wasn't helpful, claims that toxins were going to leak and there was going to be some huge environmental disaster," Glenn Inwood of the Institute for Cetacean Research says.

    But with 1,100 tonnes of fuel onboard in a hostile environment the government says its fears were grounded.

    "The Japanese naturally want to play down the incident - they are acutely embarrassed by what happened. There could have been a real disaster. As it is they lost a seaman, they could have lost a lot more if the weather hadn't have stayed so good for so long," Carter says.

    The Japanese say the situation was well under control last week and Greenpeace's repeated offer of a tow was irrelevant.

    But those aboard the Espernaza now following the whaling fleet out of the area disagree.

    "While she was in distress and while she was disabled in the Ross Sea, we didn't consider her a whaling vessel, we considered her a vessel that we could possibly assist and offered to do so," Karli Thomas says.

    Greenpeace's Melanie Duchen says the Esperanza is about 10 kilometres behind the Japanese fleet.

    She says they will bid farewell to the whaling fleet at the border of the sanctuary, hopefully for the last time.

    Duchen says Greenpeace will give the Japanese any assistance needed to get them out of the Southern Ocean whale sanctuary. She says it is likely the fleet will find the trip tough going and was surprised the Nisshin Maru could even start its engines, although a statement from the Japanese says crew members worked around the clock to get the vessel repaired.

    It is acknowledged by both sides that coming out of Japan conflicted with that from New Zealand. Now the Japanese say the Nisshin Maru will conduct further tests in open ocean to decided whether to head home or not.

    Carter says he spoke with the Japanese Ambassador last week on the matter and was told the fleet would not resume whaling. He says he can only accept the ambassador's word.
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    Actions - like throwing acid at people - speak louder than publicity seeking words.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scurvy
    as for the French and boat sinking.... let's not go there....
    I was going to say, if the French don't know how to sink a ship, they know their British friends will always be willing to help.

    But I thought it would be in bad taste.

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    Also the pirates are all from Sea Shepherd, a rather militant eco-terrorist group...not Greenpeace.
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    An important point. I shall amend my earlier note to myself.

    EDIT: The Sea Shepard site brags about lobbing the 'nontoxic' acid onboard: http://www.seashepherd.org/news/media_070208_2.html

    Of course, science seems to think it's harmful: Harmful if swallowed or inhaled. Corrosive. Extremely unpleasant smell may cause nausea. Liquid may burn skin and eyes. Readily absorbed through the skin. Severe skin, eye and respiratory irritant. - http://ptcl.chem.ox.ac.uk/MSDS/BU/butyric_acid.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Papewaio
    Does anyone want to post about the Greenpeace ship offering to help in saving the whalers?
    Greenpeace's next crusade is to save the red herring...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fisherking
    The Laws of Irony
    In February, two anti-whaling activists (one from Australia, one from Los Angeles), intending to attack a Japanese whaling ship near Antarctica with a bottle of acid and a smoke bomb, got lost in the fog in their small dinghy and were rescued with the help of several boats, including the whaler. However, as soon as the activists were safe, one thanked the Japanese crew but said, "I guess we're back on schedule, and we'll be pursuing you again." Shortly after that, the activists approached the whaler and tossed the acid onto the deck, injuring two crew members. [Philadelphia Inquirer-AP, 2-11-07]

    Hmmmm...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit
    Of course, science seems to think it's harmful: Harmful if swallowed or inhaled. Corrosive. Extremely unpleasant smell may cause nausea. Liquid may burn skin and eyes. Readily absorbed through the skin. Severe skin, eye and respiratory irritant. - http://ptcl.chem.ox.ac.uk/MSDS/BU/butyric_acid.html

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    That's concentration dependent, you won't need that high concentration to cause the stench (although admittably I have no idea of the concentration they used).

    They're still whackos though.
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    I don't like Greenpeace. I can understand several of their concerns but I don't believe that breaking the law, is a good way to remedy the situation.

    I remember reading something about how an Australian warship was pulling out of Sydney harbour and they put a rope at the exit of the harbour between two boats then some members climbed aboard the ship!

    To me climbing aboard a warship that is bound for conflict shouldn't be allowed. I have no idea what happened to them because I read it in a Greenpeace book I found at our school library (my friends and I read it for a laugh). To me ramming their ships into other ships to make the other ships have to go back for repairs should class as terrorism.

    But hey, maybe I'm looking at this from the wrong angle. What about the people who they would rather have die than receive treatment using cells created in various animals. Isn't a human life more important than that of a farm animal? Not that I think we should just let a species die out but we need to be realistic. What is the point of letting a 12 year old kid die so that a cow can live? Sure, one happy cow but one devastated family.



    I don't like Greenpeace. And I was disgusted that they glorified MADGE in that book when that group is nothing but misguided, misinformed and criminally unsympathetic.
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    The issues are complex and to me it was more a matter of those people attacking those who had just possibly saved their lives.

    I think they are both wrong, the environmentalists for their tactics and the Japanese for going after the whales. The whale meat is a luxury item and not an essential food item. Whale populations are still in some danger and continuing to exploit them would to me seem wrong.

    My fascination with the story is more into its insights into mans own lack of caring for its fellow man…


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    Men, ecological terrorism is good terrorism.....as long as innocents aren't hurt. The problem is that recources are rapidly consumed and security mesures get more and more paranoid.......some people go berserk and act foolishly....too foolishly to me.
    This is about the Code of Honour.....and if someone breaks the Code of Honour he is accountable for any of his actions.
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    Eco-terrorism is just terrorism. How these animal-rights idiots get away with putting petrol through people's doors and stuff is a mystery, especially as the security services seem so keen to arrest random innocents left right and centre.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cronos Impera
    Men, ecological terrorism is good terrorism.....as long as innocents aren't hurt. The problem is that recources are rapidly consumed and security mesures get more and more paranoid.......some people go berserk and act foolishly....too foolishly to me.
    This is about the Code of Honour.....and if someone breaks the Code of Honour he is accountable for any of his actions.
    So spiking trees is good terrorism? How about throwing acid on people? How about burning a lot full of SUV's?

    Your statement is borderline on advocating allowing others to hurt others because of a desire to protect the ecological balance. Where does ecological terrorism equate to good terrorism, if it by its function destroys property, life or limb?
    O well, seems like 'some' people decide to ruin a perfectly valid threat. Nice going guys... doc bean

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    I see nothing good about the use of Terror… There is nothing Honourable in the use of fear to compel others to your ways. You have not done anything but intimidate and terrify the weak and powerless and making victims of others.

    Honour is Dignity and there is no honour in covert acts of terror.

    I think what you meant was that these people had no Honour for what they did…and I agree.

    But the idea of terrorising the public to promote a view, a cause or what ever, to me is a cowardly act.

    Terrorism is not the same as guerrilla warfare. It targets the helpless and not government forces. Resorting to violence is a sign of intellectual weakness. There are much more effective ways to get the point across without harming others.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cronos Impera
    Men, ecological terrorism is good terrorism......
    there is no such thing as good terrorism, a terrorist acting because of animal rights is every bit as bad as any other terrorist.


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    Except for trans-fat terrorists...those guys are waging a war for all of us...


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    i would say that the word "terrorists" is a label put on these people by the governments and companies invovled. beware of spin.

    i would say for the most part greenpeace tries to do a hard job in a good if only slightly mis-guided way. they are activist not terrorist.
    The sea shepard group, are violent activist, not terrorist. i do agree that whaling is bad needs to be stop. i don't agree that injuring the life of workers. but for the most part i thought they try to get inbetween the whales and the ships.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beren Son Of Barahi
    in a situation where both sides are wrong, who is right?
    The ones who errs on the side of mankind and not flipper.
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    The one the errs on the side of mankind and not economics...
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