Unit stats inconsistencies

**Arkatreides** · 03-05-2007, 17:45

While going over the unit stats I found what I would call 'Unit stats inconsistencies' - not necessarily bugs, but values that somehow look out of place when compared with other units of the same kind. Now I know that a lot of the unit stats are still work in progress but nevertheless was wondering whether the EB creators would like to have feedback on this at this time.

I can give you some examples of what I found:

Prodromoi, Thraikoi Prodromoi, Hetairoi all have AP for their secondary attack, but Hippeis Thessalikoi does not. - oversight?

Hypaspistai have the Improved hide in forest ability when they don't look like they could hide anywhere other than a nicely decorated carnival

Anyway, I was just wondering whether EB wanted this kind of feedback or whether you have better/more important things to worry about right now.

**blacksnail** · 03-07-2007, 19:53

It can't hurt! I'll point the stat folks here.

**QwertyMIDX** · 03-08-2007, 00:54

The Hypaspistai thing is definitely a mistake. We'll take care of that. As for the Hippies Thessalikoi, do they have a kopis as a side arm?

**Watchman** · 03-08-2007, 02:47

Xiphos, by the unit description and model skin. A fair few Greek cavalry (well, the Hippies anyway) seem to have had their kopises swapped for... xiphei ? ...between 0.81 and 0.81a.

Some missile troops incidentally have buggered missile-lethality attributes. Accensi (#231) have 0.26 for their slings, and Levantine Saggitarius Auxilia (#232) an equally queer 0.321 for their bows. And the Sarmatian and Mardian Foot Archers (#s 293, 294) still have buggered mount_effect values - +4 against horses and camels...?

There's probably more, but these are ones I remember now.

**QwertyMIDX** · 03-08-2007, 03:46

Lethality doesn't affect missile weapons, it doesn't really matter what it says. Those values are probably just left over from before we figured that out.

**Watchman** · 03-08-2007, 04:07

It doesnt ? Cor blimey, that's even more bent than the odd values.

**Trax** · 03-10-2007, 11:18

I notice that some hoplite units have it, others don't and I am not sure whether it should be there and if yes, what exactly it achieves.

spear reduces casualties from frontal cavalry charges when a unit receiving the charge is ready, it also increases a lot the amount of casualties a cavalry unit takes while charging. It also gives severe penalties in melee against both infantry and cavalry.

**Watchman** · 03-10-2007, 11:33

Another thing that slightly puzzles me. Shouldn't the Getai Tarabostes have an AP secondary weapon ? All the other Getai units with those funky curvy sica swords - Komatai, both Stratiotais - get it after all... And the Tarabostes' seem to be a step bigger too, as befits noblemen.

**Arkatreides** · 03-10-2007, 11:52

Another little thing: Cohors Praetoriana has no charge bonus on secondary (sword) weapon - could be a bug.

**Arkatreides** · 03-21-2007, 15:05

Something else I noted:

A couple of low level Eastern units (e.g. Shuban Fradakshana , Thanvare Payahdag, Eranshar Arshtbara ...) are recruitable form MIC level 1 for some factions are MIC level 2 for others. Now this might well be a feature, but I haven't seen anything similar happen for any other units.