Unit stats inconsistencies

**Watchman** · 03-08-2007, 02:47

Xiphos, by the unit description and model skin. A fair few Greek cavalry (well, the Hippies anyway) seem to have had their kopises swapped for... xiphei ? ...between 0.81 and 0.81a.

Some missile troops incidentally have buggered missile-lethality attributes. Accensi (#231) have 0.26 for their slings, and Levantine Saggitarius Auxilia (#232) an equally queer 0.321 for their bows. And the Sarmatian and Mardian Foot Archers (#s 293, 294) still have buggered mount_effect values - +4 against horses and camels...?

There's probably more, but these are ones I remember now.

**QwertyMIDX** · 03-08-2007, 03:46

Lethality doesn't affect missile weapons, it doesn't really matter what it says. Those values are probably just left over from before we figured that out.

**Watchman** · 03-08-2007, 04:07

It doesnt ? Cor blimey, that's even more bent than the odd values.

**Arkatreides** · 03-08-2007, 15:10

Another question:

What exactly does the 'spear' attribute in stat_pri_attr do for NON-PHALANX units?

I notice that some hoplite units have it, others don't and I am not sure whether it should be there and if yes, what exactly it achieves.

e.g. Hoplitai Haploi, Holpitai and Hypaspistai have it,
Ekdromoi Hoplitai, Massiliotes Hoplitai, Dorkim Lubim-Ponnim Mookdamin do not

**Arkatreides** · 03-08-2007, 15:12

Originally Posted by Watchman

It doesnt ? Cor blimey, that's even more bent than the odd values.

Actually, if you think about it, it kind of makes sense. The arrow/bullet/javeliin either hits and kills or, well, does nothing. The engine has no way of modelling a non-kill hit, as in 'javelin stuck in shield' so there really isn't a lot of point in having the lethality reduced ...

**The Errant** · 03-09-2007, 09:06

I've been wondering about the stats of the Sabyn King's Elites. They're supposed the be the meanest and toughest heavy infantry the Sabyn have. You can't even train them as they come exclusively as your generals bodyguards.
Even so in a 1-on-1 fight against the Galatian Kleruchoi they loose slowly but surely. Granted the difference in melee stats is minimal in favor of the Galatians, but still I think it's weird.
Are they (the Galatians) supposed to be better and cheaper than the Sabyn bodyguards and the Lo'hamin Azzilim?

**Arkatreides** · 03-09-2007, 21:47

Something else I noticed: Some of the Sweboz units have an '1' for shield when they don't really carry a shield at all (e.g. Merjoz, Bastarnoz Swaiut).

Also the Bastarnoz Swaiut have a very large mass (1.4) - which might or might not be a bug.

**bovi** · 03-09-2007, 21:53

While I don't know exactly why they have 1 shield, it could be an abstraction for being better able to dodge missiles when facing the direction it is coming. Some stat guy should be able to tell if it's a bug or not. Unit masses I have no idea about.