v0.8.1a CTD

**Tellos Athenaios** · 03-07-2007, 22:10

Here you are,

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**Dol Guldur** · 03-08-2007, 00:58

The dreaded presence of a mercenary causing problems still :( I wish that could be tracked down...I would guess that depleting the pool (getting a family member to recruit the merc(s) before the revolt (and before the next replenishment)) would also avoid the CTD?

**Dooz** · 03-08-2007, 04:20

Guys, I read the posts but I'm still not sure what change to make exactly so I can avoid this CTD. If the solution has been discovered and confirmed, can someone explain what to do?

**Oleo** · 03-08-2007, 13:55

Originally Posted by Wonderland

Guys, I read the posts but I'm still not sure what change to make exactly so I can avoid this CTD. If the solution has been discovered and confirmed, can someone explain what to do?

I think the best solution is to replace the recruitment of the unit that is causing the ctd with a unit that does not have the mercenary_unit attribute. My suggestion is: steppe missile fistaegfataexsdzhytae

What you have to do is first open up Export_descr_buildings.txt. This file starts with the governor buildings, which are the building that need adapting:

For these buildings (governors_house, governors_villa, governors_palace, proconsuls_palace, imperial_palace ) you will have to change all the lines starting with:

Code:

recruit "steppe missile cavalry sauromatae fat aexsdzhytae" 0

into a line starting with

Code:

recruit "steppe missile fistaegfataexsdzhytae" 0

So just copy-paste the new unit name over the old one.

Oh and make a backup before saving!!

**dutch81** · 03-08-2007, 14:19

Originally Posted by Oleo

I think the best solution is to replace the recruitment of the unit that is causing the ctd with a unit that does not have the mercenary_unit attribute. My suggestion is: steppe missile fistaegfataexsdzhytae

What you have to do is first open up Export_descr_buildings.txt. This file starts with the governor buildings, which are the building that need adapting:

For these buildings (governors_house, governors_villa, governors_palace, proconsuls_palace, imperial_palace ) you will have to change all the lines starting with:

Code:

recruit "steppe missile cavalry sauromatae fat aexsdzhytae" 0

into a line starting with

Code:

recruit "steppe missile fistaegfataexsdzhytae" 0

So just copy-paste the new unit name over the old one.

Oh and make a backup before saving!!

Are you sure this is the right file, all I have is agent diplomats in those buildings.

**Oleo** · 03-08-2007, 14:33

Originally Posted by dutch81

Are you sure this is the right file, all I have is agent diplomats in those buildings.

Yeah its the right file (install folder\EB\data is the path), maybe you have an older version (not 0.81a, older versions dont have these lines yet):

**dutch81** · 03-08-2007, 14:45

Well now I am really confused because I started with EB v.8 and then upgraded each subsequent one to .8.1a ... that is why I started this thread afterall ... but my file first of all does not have txt behind it as yours does ... nor does it have all those units there???

What is going on?

Edit #1:
By the way just loaded EB again and on the start up screen it does say V 0.8.1a ... so it must have updated???

**Oleo** · 03-08-2007, 13:40

Sulek:

Originally Posted by Tellos Athenaios

Code:

pool Xiyu
	regions Xiyu
;;	unit SAKA ASPA SHIVATIR (Sakae Horse Archers)?,			exp 0 cost 1000 replenish 0.11 - 0.16 max 2 initial 0

Gava-Haomavarga:

Code:

pool Dahyu_Haomavarga
	regions Dahyu_Haomavarga
	unit eastern missile eransahr arshtbara merc,			exp 0 cost 1082 replenish 0.1 - 0.15 max 2 initial 1
;;	unit SAKA ASPA SHIVATIR (Sakae Horse Archers)?,			exp 0 cost 1000 replenish 0.1 - 0.16 max 2 initial 1

The Gava-Haomavarga save does indeed not get a ctd when revolting, after the revolt there is no garrison present. Not one unit.

In EDB the entries for recruitment for the faction armenia (Sauromatae) do not cover the city of Gava-Haomavarga (EA, B, y1, n2, y4, n8). Adding such an entry to EDB:

Code:

recruit "steppe missile cavalry sauromatae fat aexsdzhytae" 0 requires factions { armenia, } and hidden_resource EA and hidden_resource B and hidden_resource y1 and hidden_resource n2 and hidden_resource y4 and hidden_resource n8

results in a ctd like Sulek's ctd.

p.s. Bughunting is fun

**Kull** · 03-08-2007, 19:43

Originally Posted by Oleo

Sulek:

Gava-Haomavarga:

Code:

pool Dahyu_Haomavarga
	regions Dahyu_Haomavarga
	unit eastern missile eransahr arshtbara merc,			exp 0 cost 1082 replenish 0.1 - 0.15 max 2 initial 1
;;	unit SAKA ASPA SHIVATIR (Sakae Horse Archers)?,			exp 0 cost 1000 replenish 0.1 - 0.16 max 2 initial 1

The Gava-Haomavarga save does indeed not get a ctd when revolting, after the revolt there is no garrison present. Not one unit.

In EDB the entries for recruitment for the faction armenia (Sauromatae) do not cover the city of Gava-Haomavarga (EA, B, y1, n2, y4, n8). Adding such an entry to EDB:

Code:

recruit "steppe missile cavalry sauromatae fat aexsdzhytae" 0 requires factions { armenia, } and hidden_resource EA and hidden_resource B and hidden_resource y1 and hidden_resource n2 and hidden_resource y4 and hidden_resource n8

results in a ctd like Sulek's ctd.

p.s. Bughunting is fun

Nice. That locks it down very nicely. There is now NO DOUBT that what drives these CTDs is the presence of the merc_unit attribute in a Palace recruitable unit. I checked through all the palace recruitable units in the v.81a EDB, and this horsearcher is the only unit that has the attribute. Thus the bug is currently restricted to provinces with saka or sauromatae "base culture" (as defined in descr_regions.txt). So that's also good - we only have to fix the one unit.

Your choice of the Foot Archer looks to be correct, as we need to select a unit that's recruitable in these provinces AND is MIC Level 1. Unfortunately I'd prefer not to saddle horsearcher factions with a mass of foot units, but for now that's acceptable - it's better than a CTD, and you can't remove the merc_attribute from the horsearcher without totally screwing up it's skin.

I'll put together a corrected EDB so folks can just copy that over whole instead of trying to mod the thing - but it may take a day or so. In the meantime Oleo's manual fix should do the trick.

**Dooz** · 03-09-2007, 02:17

Thanks O! Once again, you are the best.

**Dooz** · 03-10-2007, 20:34

I just experienced the CTD, repeatable, I believe on Baktria's turn. I hadn't done the copy+paste yet when it happened, I just did though. I'm wondering if that horse archer post was the only thing that has to be changed, or if your post above that is for something too. If so, what exactly is it you have to do with regards to Gava-Haomavarga and Xiyu and all that?

-edit-
Nevermind! Should have tried it before posting I guess. Works like a charm, thanks again O.

**Oleo** · 03-11-2007, 13:41

**Al_Veran** · 03-13-2007, 00:02

Very interesting debuging sequence

It inspires me to understand the functionning of the famous rebel CTD, and I hope I can solve my own CTD problem

I am always on the 0.81 version (I don't want to let my dear Roman Campain down

) but with the Marcus Aurelius "export_desc_building" file. I have a CTD caused by a Carthaginian city ( I hate Carthaginians... ).

As I read your debugging method, I think that the CTD could be caused by the "nature" of the unit used by the revolting city.

So I am going to work on this and try to solve it myself because it is not so important for me to have very good rebel units against me.

But Thank you guys, the mod is so pleasant that even debugging is motivating