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    Default How to Defeat the Mongols as the Scots

    Ingredients - 1 Mortar, 3 cannon(culverin), 4 pike(noble), 2 sword (Highland
    Noble), 6 archers(Noble Highland Archers), 3 cavalry(Borderhorse), 1 General.
    Preferably a good command and morale general. Although the units in parenthesis are preferences, not a necessity. I rarely have all of my favorite toys together at once!

    Location - Defending a River Crossings; Real estate is all about the location.
    Take away the mongols mobility and make them play a game of scottish pokeman. More on the pokeman later.

    Placement of units - Place your cannons on bluffs overlooking the river
    crossing if possible. If not then place 2 cannons on the side of the river
    crossing with the best field of fire and the other cannon on the other side
    of the river crossing. Place 4 archers on the side of the river crossing that
    would be facing the unshielded side of the attacking enemy. Place the other 2
    archers on the other side of the crossing. Use the terrain to allow for direct
    tiered fire on the river crossing when ever possible. Use the cavalry to
    support the infantry. Place the infantry facing the river crossing as so -

    sss sss
    sss sss
    sss sss
    sss sss
    pppp pppp pppp pppp
    pppp pppp pppp pppp

    Legend: p for pikeman, s for swordsmen

    Battle strategy - As soon as the mongols are in range (probably immediately)
    then open up on mongol rockets or trebuchets if any with the cannon. If those targets are not available then open up on the heaviest concentrations of troops for the paths of your cannonballs (enfilade), or fire on the heavy archer cavalry. From their you let the mongols come to you. They are the attacker, they will come to you. heh heh heh

    Pikemen should be in shieldwall formation with guardmode on. I like 4 rows deep, you can use a deeper formation if you want to shorten the area in front of your infantry. In fact the first time I used this formation against the mongols, I only had a 2 pike unit frontage due to lack of pike available in that army. Counter attack the enemy directly in front of the pikemen once the pikemen have been engaged by single clicking on the enemy unit. Happy pokeman. Best done with the pike fix imho.

    Use the cavalry to chase down the mongol stragglers after you have broken them on your pike wall. Border horse are fast, thats why I like them better for this job than knights

    What are your winning strategies?

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    Default Re: How to Defeat the Mongols as the Scots

    Oops the diagram did not display correctly since the whitespace was removed. This should be a better example -

    sss.........................sss
    .sss.......................sss
    ..sss.....................sss
    ...sss...................sss
    ......pppp pppp pppp pppp
    ......pppp pppp pppp pppp

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    Default Re: How to Defeat the Mongols as the Scots

    Well....just have a cav dominant army of about 10 units. Split them into 2 seperate groups and start hunting down ha. Run them down till the end of the map and slowly destroy the mongol mobility. Their cav may be better but you will usually outnumber them due to your cav is all togeather. Once mongol mobility is out, you won the battle.
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    post above: How does destroying their cav mean you win? How do you deal with their long range archers?

    Post above 2: is the s units at the front of the formation? if so what do you do about the archers and being flancked by their cav if you are defending and they are attacking?

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    Post above 2: is the s units at the front of the formation? if so what do you do about the archers and being flancked by their cav if you are defending and they are attacking?
    You jus do your best to take it, but normally they will run right across the bridge and they CAN'T flank you in this situation, the exit from the pridge is between thje 2 S arms with the Pikes facing it head on, to get behind you the have to go through the Pikes and Swords.
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    Default Re: How to Defeat the Mongols as the Scots

    ok got you. i have attempted something similar to this with other factions.

    Did ok have 3 or 4 fights at the bridge slowly wearing them down, then they moved back and crossed the river (on the stategic map) higher up how do you get them back down to the bridge area?

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