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    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,256980,00.html

    So the problem with Islam is simply a small issue with some radical fundamentalists? Things like this in Arabia and most other arab nations seem rather state sanctioned.

    All I can say is that I understand the economics and the politics behind our(the US's) special relationship with these "people", but morally it is an abberation.

    I just hope that when we ween ourselves off of oil, we leave our muslim "allies" to the hell they have created for themselves, and our children don't judge us too harshly.

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    Its no surprise really. For so many professed historians on this website its amazing how so few know so little about the beginnings of this belief system. I guess Muhammad had some devine power because he even has many secularists defending his creation. I bet this thread gets locked in a bout 4 posts since Islam is not allowed to be scrutinised anywhere these days.
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    Sickening really.
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    It is sickening what people do in the name of faith.

    So PJ and DD, based on this child brides in Utah are they the responsibility of all Christians and Jesus?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Papewaio
    It is sickening what people do in the name of faith.

    So PJ and DD, based on this child brides in Utah are they the responsibility of all Christians and Jesus?
    Neither, Mormans. Joseph Smith created the Church of Jesus Christ (about the only part of Jesus in the "faith" is in the name) of Latter Day Saints in the mid 1800's from gold tablets he found but mysteriously dissapeared when questioned about their authentisity. Google Joseph Smith and do some research before you lump his "beliefs" into Bible believing Christianity. Mormanisn is about as Christian as Budism. But we're not talking about that cult, we're currently discussing the one that happens to be involved in a lot of nasty little incursions all over the face of the globe.
    But the underage marraiges probably would not have been a problem for the Prophet either since he had "marital relations" with a 9 year old (he did wait a couple of years, he married her when she was 6. He must have been busy "converting" Medina at the time).
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    In the UK an Islamic council has come up with guidelines on how schools can fit in with their religion. Of course it is up to the schools and the majority in the country to accede to their needs, and of course no alteration is required of Islam.

    Saudi Arabia is one of the worst examples of Islam. The sooner they run out of oil and influence the better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Papewaio
    It is sickening what people do in the name of faith.

    So PJ and DD, based on this child brides in Utah are they the responsibility of all Christians and Jesus?
    Oh, the ones not supported by the state and federal governments, the ones hunted down by the FBI, the ones condemned by the rest of America? Seems a rather different situation, doesn't it?



    To the OP: What a screwed up system of punishment.

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    Anyone actually bother to read the article?

    The woman's ordeal began a year ago when she was blackmailed into meeting a man who threatened to tell her family they were having a relationship outside wedlock, which is illegal in the desert kingdom, according to a report in The Scotsman newspaper.

    She met the man at a shopping mall and, after driving off together, the blackmailer's car was stopped by two other cars bearing men wielding knives and meat cleavers.
    Well personally I can understand that sentence. I think it is pretty obvious that she was having a relationship with that man, which isn't really acceptable in Saudi-Arabia. She wasn't sentenced to 90 lashes due to her being raped, but because she propably had something going on with the blackmailer. I think it sometimes is useful to view things from other cultural perspectives before condemning such sentences.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AggonyDuck
    Well personally I can understand that sentence. I think it is pretty obvious that she was having a relationship with that man, which isn't really acceptable in Saudi-Arabia. She wasn't sentenced to 90 lashes due to her being raped, but because she propably had something going on with the blackmailer. I think it sometimes is useful to view things from other cultural perspectives before condemning such sentences.


    One supposes that even in Finland "probably" based on the hearsay of a convicted blackmailer/rapist is hardly considered proof of guilt. Especially when the sentence is utterly barbaric.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Banquo's Ghost


    One supposes that even in Finland "probably" based on the hearsay of a convicted blackmailer/rapist is hardly considered proof of guilt. Especially when the sentence is utterly barbaric.

    Then why did she meet up with the man and agree to go in to a car with him?
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    Quote Originally Posted by AggonyDuck
    Then why did she meet up with the man and agree to go in to a car with him?
    Erm...because she was blackmailed?

    The woman's ordeal began a year ago when she was blackmailed into meeting a man who threatened to tell her family they were having a relationship outside wedlock, which is illegal in the desert kingdom, according to a report in The Scotsman newspaper.
    Even if it had been of her own will, does getting into a car with a man give him the right to rape her?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Banquo's Ghost
    Even if it had been of her own will, does getting into a car with a man give him the right to rape her?
    I've never argued that they had the right to rape her, what I am saying is that she broke the local law by getting in that car with him. Hence why I can understand the sentence.

    As to why she got in that car, who knows, but I just find it strange that a total stranger can blackmail a woman by threatening to tell her family that they are having a relationship outside wedlock. Either there was some truth in those claims or she felt she would be unable to defend herself, because she obviously felt threatened by him.


    Quote Originally Posted by luigi VI di Fatlington
    Assuming there was a relationship:
    - is ninety lashes an acceptable sentence for an affair to you?
    - is it alright that only women should receive the lash then?
    - wouldn't you agree that if she didn't give in to the blackmail, she'd get the lash, and if she did, she'd get the lash too?
    - Isn't all this a bit of a bummer if you're a Saudi woman?
    -In Saudi-Arabia, yes. The sentence is maybe a bit over the top, but Sharia law tries to use severe penalties to ensure that such things do not happen.
    -I read that both got punished.
    -Yes, she has already commited her "crime". Although that raises the question; what on earth was the blackmailer trying to accomplish, because he would had been punished similarly if it had went public.
    -Yes, it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AggonyDuck
    Well personally I can understand that sentence. I think it is pretty obvious that she was having a relationship with that man, which isn't really acceptable in Saudi-Arabia. She wasn't sentenced to 90 lashes due to her being raped, but because she propably had something going on with the blackmailer. I think it sometimes is useful to view things from other cultural perspectives before condemning such sentences.
    Assuming there was a relationship:
    - is ninety lashes an acceptable sentence for an affair to you?
    - is it alright that only women should receive the lash then?
    - wouldn't you agree that if she didn't give in to the blackmail, she'd get the lash, and if she did, she'd get the lash too?
    - Isn't all this a bit of a bummer if you're a Saudi woman?
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    Quote Originally Posted by luigi VI di Fatlington
    - is ninety lashes an acceptable sentence for an affair to you?
    No, there should be no sentence at all, it should be no crime, sadly it's.

    But if it were a rape I think that I'll exchange the lashing for the time in jail always. Of course I've never been lashed 90 times, but how about you Louis?

    EDIT: On the "What culture is more violent?" debate, I think that the answer is not that simple. Many variables are at play: the location, the history, the religion, the culture, the laws, and even the weather. I've always noticed how the anglosaxons are the most templated of all while the latin americans are more prone to extremist behavior. I think that Montesquieu wrote something about that sometime ago, of course his social theory about people based on geography and his thesis about the perfect State was not taken seriously, but for what I can recolect from my experience with other people anglosaxons tend to be really more laborious and templated (and to drink a lot too), while latin americans are particulary extroverted in general, easier to engage in a friendship but just as easily to lose that friendship.

    In any case, that's what I think that any debate concerning clasified and quantified violence will be shortsighted. The study on this could be pretty massive and I haven't seen one done yet wich focus on this subject.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Soulforged
    Of course I've never been lashed 90 times, but how about you Louis?
    Well I went to this hip club once and there were all these women in tight latex and I met this girl and

    I think that Montesquieu wrote something about that sometime ago, of course his social theory about people based on geography and his thesis about the perfect State was not taken seriously
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