Lost Tomb of Christ

**Husar** · 03-08-2007, 11:06

Originally Posted by ShadeHonestus

film on the Tosa Code.

I'd definitely go to the cinema to watch that.

**Cronos Impera** · 03-08-2007, 13:37

Or........The Return of Barroca

**ShadeHonestus** · 03-08-2007, 15:02

Originally Posted by Cronos Impera

Or........The Return of Barroca

Yeah what ever happened to Barroca...or Magy, any of the old guard...

**rory_20_uk** · 03-08-2007, 19:01

ONe can not give up one's beliefs based on evidence. A belief is a point of view that is held irregardless of existing evidence.

**Banquo's Ghost** · 03-08-2007, 19:11

Originally Posted by rory_20_uk

ONe can not give up one's beliefs based on evidence. A belief is a point of view that is held irregardless of existing evidence.

Of course one may. One's belief may be held irrespective of evidence - usually in the absence of evidence for or against - but if new evidence comes to light that directly contradicts one's belief, it may well cause a relinquishment.

People refuse to accept evidence often enough, but there's plenty who have rejected or modified their beliefs after seeing evidence to the contrary.

**Goofball** · 03-08-2007, 20:11

Originally Posted by Banquo's Ghost

Originally Posted by rory_20_uk

ONe can not give up one's beliefs based on evidence. A belief is a point of view that is held irregardless of existing evidence.

Of course one may. One's belief may be held irrespective of evidence - usually in the absence of evidence for or against - but if new evidence comes to light that directly contradicts one's belief, it may well cause a relinquishment.

People refuse to accept evidence often enough, but there's plenty who have rejected or modified their beliefs after seeing evidence to the contrary.

I'll take the liberty of speaking for rory here (please forgive me if I have it wrong, rory).

I believe rory was referring to "faith," rather than "belief." Religious faith can (and arguably, should) be able to be maintained even in the face of contradictory physical evidence. That's what makes faith faith...

**Banquo's Ghost** · 03-08-2007, 21:16

Originally Posted by Goofball

I'll take the liberty of speaking for rory here (please forgive me if I have it wrong, rory).

I believe rory was referring to "faith," rather than "belief." Religious faith can (and arguably, should) be able to be maintained even in the face of contradictory physical evidence. That's what makes faith faith...

I imagined rory meant faith too - and my view still applies, in that a person's faith can change and develop through both revelation and evidence. Not everyone who has faith is an unbending fundamentalist.

Perhaps this is a view derived from my upbringing as a Catholic. Doubt and faith are two sides of that coin. But I've known people from other traditions that value doubt and questing for truth rather than certainty.

**Pindar** · 03-08-2007, 23:51

Originally Posted by Goofball

I believe rory was referring to "faith," rather than "belief." Religious faith can (and arguably, should) be able to be maintained even in the face of contradictory physical evidence. That's what makes faith faith...

Based on the above: what is the difference between belief and faith?

**Devastatin Dave** · 03-08-2007, 19:17

I have a documentary coming out soon about a pebble I found in my backyard. It was obviously a pebble that Abraham Lincoln had stuck in his shoe during the Gettysburg Address. I came to this conclusion because:
1) My house resides in IL.
2) Lincoln was born and burried in IL.
3) Lincoln gave a speech at Gettysburg which is in Pennsylvania which has a lot of rocks.
Mr Cameron has yet to return my calls but I fear he is missing an even more compelling case with my Lincoln pebble.

**Banquo's Ghost** · 03-08-2007, 19:47

What confused me about the claims as reported by the BBC was that Mr Cameron seemed to say that DNA analysis backed his assertions.

I'm intrigued to know to which descendant he was cross-referencing?

**Philippus Flavius Homovallumus** · 03-08-2007, 20:14

Originally Posted by BBC

According to the Israel Antiquities Authority, six of those coffins were marked with the names Mary; Matthew; Jesua son of Joseph; Mary; Jofa (Joseph, Jesus' brother); and Judah son of Jesua.

I'll admit it is a considerable co-incidence, but if Jofa is Joseph why isn't he called Joseph?

Originally Posted by BBC

"Mariamene is Mary Magdalene - that's the Ringo, that's what sets this whole film in motion," he said.

Not convincing, added to which, where is Lazarus? Wouldn't he want to be burried with his sister and his brother in law, especially after the latter commended his own mother into Lazarus' care?