Lost Tomb of Christ

[The Spartan (Returns)]

The screening this weekend of a Discovery Channel special in which celebrated film director James Cameron purports to reveal the lost tomb of Jesus Christ was the subject of a predictable explosion of comment in the USA. More surprisingly, the accusations of heresy from the religious right were drowned out by accusations of inadequate archaeological rigour and general dullness from more secular commentators.

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[Sasaki Kojiro]

Has been around for a while I hear. Amusing though.

[Csargo]

[The Spartan (Returns)]

friend tells me that people gave up the faith after this.

[ShadeHonestus]

Interesting as an archaeological find.

Aside from that, I hear Cameron, Brown, and Rivera are going to reveal the Orgah Tomb next fall, followed by a blockbuster film on the Tosa Code.

[Ignoramus]

Considering that even non-Christian experts are ridiculing this "supposed" find(even though it's been know for about 20 years), does not give any wait to this falsity.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Okay, can we have some context for what the tomb actually is?

Is this the Holy Blood and the Holy Grail?

[ShadeHonestus]

Considering that even non-Christian experts are ridiculing this "supposed" find(even though it's been know for about 20 years), does not give any wait to this falsity.

Well it is a "find", but its importance based on the tomb of Christ is another kettle of fish.

[ajaxfetish]

friend tells me that people gave up the faith after this.

I rather suspect that such people didn't have much faith to give up in the first place.

Ajax

[Csargo]

I don't see how this could hurt anyone's faith.

[Azi Tohak]

If this is true, then the existence of Jesus' remains disproves that Christ was NOT risen from the dead, and therefore that the main event of Christianity was false. Therefore the religion is wrong.

But if this actually caused people to lose their faith, those people are idiots anyway.

Doing just a little research on this finds that the archaeologist who found the tomb thinks Cameron is full of it too.

Azi

[Husar]

film on the Tosa Code.

I'd definitely go to the cinema to watch that.

[Cronos Impera]

Or........The Return of Barroca

[ShadeHonestus]

Or........The Return of Barroca

Yeah what ever happened to Barroca...or Magy, any of the old guard...

[rory_20_uk]

ONe can not give up one's beliefs based on evidence. A belief is a point of view that is held irregardless of existing evidence.

[Banquo's Ghost]

ONe can not give up one's beliefs based on evidence. A belief is a point of view that is held irregardless of existing evidence.

Of course one may. One's belief may be held irrespective of evidence - usually in the absence of evidence for or against - but if new evidence comes to light that directly contradicts one's belief, it may well cause a relinquishment.

People refuse to accept evidence often enough, but there's plenty who have rejected or modified their beliefs after seeing evidence to the contrary.

[Devastatin Dave]

I have a documentary coming out soon about a pebble I found in my backyard. It was obviously a pebble that Abraham Lincoln had stuck in his shoe during the Gettysburg Address. I came to this conclusion because:
1) My house resides in IL.
2) Lincoln was born and burried in IL.
3) Lincoln gave a speech at Gettysburg which is in Pennsylvania which has a lot of rocks.
Mr Cameron has yet to return my calls but I fear he is missing an even more compelling case with my Lincoln pebble.

[Banquo's Ghost]

What confused me about the claims as reported by the BBC was that Mr Cameron seemed to say that DNA analysis backed his assertions.

I'm intrigued to know to which descendant he was cross-referencing?

[Goofball]

ONe can not give up one's beliefs based on evidence. A belief is a point of view that is held irregardless of existing evidence.

Of course one may. One's belief may be held irrespective of evidence - usually in the absence of evidence for or against - but if new evidence comes to light that directly contradicts one's belief, it may well cause a relinquishment.

People refuse to accept evidence often enough, but there's plenty who have rejected or modified their beliefs after seeing evidence to the contrary.

I'll take the liberty of speaking for rory here (please forgive me if I have it wrong, rory).

I believe rory was referring to "faith," rather than "belief." Religious faith can (and arguably, should) be able to be maintained even in the face of contradictory physical evidence. That's what makes faith faith...

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

According to the Israel Antiquities Authority, six of those coffins were marked with the names Mary; Matthew; Jesua son of Joseph; Mary; Jofa (Joseph, Jesus' brother); and Judah son of Jesua.

I'll admit it is a considerable co-incidence, but if Jofa is Joseph why isn't he called Joseph?

"Mariamene is Mary Magdalene - that's the Ringo, that's what sets this whole film in motion," he said.

Not convincing, added to which, where is Lazarus? Wouldn't he want to be burried with his sister and his brother in law, especially after the latter commended his own mother into Lazarus' care?

[Banquo's Ghost]

I'll take the liberty of speaking for rory here (please forgive me if I have it wrong, rory).

I believe rory was referring to "faith," rather than "belief." Religious faith can (and arguably, should) be able to be maintained even in the face of contradictory physical evidence. That's what makes faith faith...

I imagined rory meant faith too - and my view still applies, in that a person's faith can change and develop through both revelation and evidence. Not everyone who has faith is an unbending fundamentalist.

Perhaps this is a view derived from my upbringing as a Catholic. Doubt and faith are two sides of that coin. But I've known people from other traditions that value doubt and questing for truth rather than certainty.

[Martok]

It would be pretty cool if it was actually true, but I remain more than a tad skeptical that this is *the* tomb of Christ. (I'm agnostic, by the way.)

Aside from that, I hear Cameron, Brown, and Rivera are going to reveal the Orgah Tomb next fall, followed by a blockbuster film on the Tosa Code.

Sadly, I think I would probably watch that too....

[Pindar]

I believe rory was referring to "faith," rather than "belief." Religious faith can (and arguably, should) be able to be maintained even in the face of contradictory physical evidence. That's what makes faith faith...

Based on the above: what is the difference between belief and faith?

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Based on the above: what is the difference between belief and faith?

Perhaps that a belief is the idea itself where faith is your adherence to that idea?

In any case all this does, if true, is Nuke the Nicean Creed.

We all become Arians! Yay, Christianity and Islam can finally snuggle.

[Pindar]

Perhaps that a belief is the idea itself where faith is your adherence to that idea?

Does this mean one can't adhere to a belief?

[ShadeHonestus]

We all become Arians! Yay, Christianity and Islam can finally snuggle.

hehe

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Does this mean one can't adhere to a belief?

No, you adherence to a belief is your faith.

Faith=adherence.

Which is why people who lack faith tend to give up their beliefs.

[Pindar]

No, you adherence to a belief is your faith.

Faith=adherence.

Which is why people who lack faith tend to give up their beliefs.

I see. Interesting. What is your take on the following:

I believe in you.
I have faith in you.

[Fisherking]

Why should this have an impact on anyone! Gosh they found a tomb with some of the most common names in Judaism. They have found several others just like it with similar names and they have known about it for years.

Someone wants to make some money and sensationalizes the thing and people are going to buy into it?

This is silly on so very many levels!

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

I see. Interesting. What is your take on the following:

I believe in you.
I have faith in you.

I believe in you = I believe you are.....

I have faith in you = I have faith you will......

So in the first case I believe the person to posses traits or qualities, in the second case I have faith that the person will use those traits qualities in a certain way and achieve a certain end.