changing shields...?

[Arbaces]

Question. Is there a chance to, and how would I be able to swap shields, for example give oval shields to bodyguard heavy cavalry (templars, etc). Because from battle_models.modeldb I couldn't figure it out... Or, are the shields tied to the main mesh and linked to them (like in RTW or simmilar)? Is it another file?

For example I want to give the shield the Druzhina has to the templars...

8 druzhina 
1 4 
52 unit_models/_Units/EN_Lmail_Hmail/druzhina_lod0.mesh 121 
52 unit_models/_Units/EN_Lmail_Hmail/druzhina_lod1.mesh 900 
52 unit_models/_Units/EN_Lmail_Hmail/druzhina_lod2.mesh 2500 
52 unit_models/_Units/EN_Lmail_Hmail/druzhina_lod3.mesh 6400 
2 
6 russia 
72 unit_models/_Units/EN_Lmail_Hmail/textures/EN_Lmail_Hmail_russia.texture 
72 unit_models/_Units/EN_Lmail_Hmail/textures/EN_Lmail_Hmail_normal.texture 
39 unit_sprites/russia_Druzhina_sprite.spr 
7 normans 
72 unit_models/_Units/EN_Lmail_Hmail/textures/EN_Lmail_Hmail_russia.texture 
72 unit_models/_Units/EN_Lmail_Hmail/textures/EN_Lmail_Hmail_normal.texture 
39 unit_sprites/russia_Druzhina_sprite.spr 
2 
6 russia 
59 unit_models/AttachmentSets/Final Danish_russia_diff.texture 
59 unit_models/AttachmentSets/Final Danish_russia_norm.texture 0  
7 normans
59 unit_models/AttachmentSets/Final Danish_russia_diff.texture 
59 unit_models/AttachmentSets/Final Danish_russia_norm.texture 0  
1 
5 Horse 
13 MTW2_HR_Spear 
12 MTW2_HR_Mace 2 
21 MTW2_HR_spear_Primary 
14 fs_test_shield 2 
17 MTW2_Mace_Primary 
14 fs_test_shield 
16 -0.090000004 0 0 -0.34999999 0.80000001 0.60000002

15 knights_templar 
1 4 
59 unit_models/_Units/EN_Lmail_Hmail/knights_templar_lod0.mesh 121 
59 unit_models/_Units/EN_Lmail_Hmail/knights_templar_lod1.mesh 900 
59 unit_models/_Units/EN_Lmail_Hmail/knights_templar_lod2.mesh 2500 
59 unit_models/_Units/EN_Lmail_Hmail/knights_templar_lod3.mesh 6400 
10 
7 england 
73 unit_models/_Units/EN_Lmail_Hmail/textures/EN_Lmail_Hmail_templar.texture 
81 unit_models/_Units/EN_Lmail_Hmail/textures/EN_Lmail_Hmail_crusader_normal.texture 
47 unit_sprites/england_Knights_Templar_sprite.spr 
8 scotland 
73 unit_models/_Units/EN_Lmail_Hmail/textures/EN_Lmail_Hmail_templar.texture 
81 unit_models/_Units/EN_Lmail_Hmail/textures/EN_Lmail_Hmail_crusader_normal.texture 
48 unit_sprites/scotland_Knights_Templar_sprite.spr 
6 france 
73 unit_models/_Units/EN_Lmail_Hmail/textures/EN_Lmail_Hmail_templar.texture 
81 unit_models/_Units/EN_Lmail_Hmail/textures/EN_Lmail_Hmail_crusader_normal.texture 
46 unit_sprites/france_Knights_Templar_sprite.spr 
7 denmark 
73 unit_models/_Units/EN_Lmail_Hmail/textures/EN_Lmail_Hmail_templar.texture 
81 unit_models/_Units/EN_Lmail_Hmail/textures/EN_Lmail_Hmail_crusader_normal.texture 
47 unit_sprites/denmark_Knights_Templar_sprite.spr 
5 milan 
73 unit_models/_Units/EN_Lmail_Hmail/textures/EN_Lmail_Hmail_templar.texture 
81 unit_models/_Units/EN_Lmail_Hmail/textures/EN_Lmail_Hmail_crusader_normal.texture 
45 unit_sprites/milan_Knights_Templar_sprite.spr 
6 venice 
73 unit_models/_Units/EN_Lmail_Hmail/textures/EN_Lmail_Hmail_templar.texture 
81 unit_models/_Units/EN_Lmail_Hmail/textures/EN_Lmail_Hmail_crusader_normal.texture 
46 unit_sprites/venice_Knights_Templar_sprite.spr 
12 papal_states 
73 unit_models/_Units/EN_Lmail_Hmail/textures/EN_Lmail_Hmail_templar.texture 
81 unit_models/_Units/EN_Lmail_Hmail/textures/EN_Lmail_Hmail_crusader_normal.texture 
52 unit_sprites/papal_states_Knights_Templar_sprite.spr 
6 sicily 
73 unit_models/_Units/EN_Lmail_Hmail/textures/EN_Lmail_Hmail_templar.texture 
81 unit_models/_Units/EN_Lmail_Hmail/textures/EN_Lmail_Hmail_crusader_normal.texture 
46 unit_sprites/sicily_Knights_Templar_sprite.spr 
6 poland 
73 unit_models/_Units/EN_Lmail_Hmail/textures/EN_Lmail_Hmail_templar.texture 
81 unit_models/_Units/EN_Lmail_Hmail/textures/EN_Lmail_Hmail_crusader_normal.texture 
46 unit_sprites/poland_Knights_Templar_sprite.spr 
7 hungary 
73 unit_models/_Units/EN_Lmail_Hmail/textures/EN_Lmail_Hmail_templar.texture 
81 unit_models/_Units/EN_Lmail_Hmail/textures/EN_Lmail_Hmail_crusader_normal.texture 
47 unit_sprites/hungary_Knights_Templar_sprite.spr 
10 
7 england 
68 unit_models/AttachmentSets/Final Heater Special_england_diff.texture 
68 unit_models/AttachmentSets/Final Heater Special_england_norm.texture 0  
8 scotland 
69 unit_models/AttachmentSets/Final Heater Special_scotland_diff.texture 
69 unit_models/AttachmentSets/Final Heater Special_scotland_norm.texture 0  
6 france 
67 unit_models/AttachmentSets/Final Heater Special_france_diff.texture 
67 unit_models/AttachmentSets/Final Heater Special_france_norm.texture 0  
7 denmark 
68 unit_models/AttachmentSets/Final Heater Special_denmark_diff.texture 
68 unit_models/AttachmentSets/Final Heater Special_denmark_norm.texture 0  
5 milan 
66 unit_models/AttachmentSets/Final Heater Special_milan_diff.texture 
66 unit_models/AttachmentSets/Final Heater Special_milan_norm.texture 0  
6 venice 
67 unit_models/AttachmentSets/Final Heater Special_venice_diff.texture 
67 unit_models/AttachmentSets/Final Heater Special_venice_norm.texture 0  
12 papal_states 
73 unit_models/AttachmentSets/Final Heater Special_papal_states_diff.texture 
73 unit_models/AttachmentSets/Final Heater Special_papal_states_norm.texture 0  
6 sicily 
67 unit_models/AttachmentSets/Final Heater Special_sicily_diff.texture 
67 unit_models/AttachmentSets/Final Heater Special_sicily_norm.texture 0  
6 poland 
67 unit_models/AttachmentSets/Final Heater Special_poland_diff.texture 
67 unit_models/AttachmentSets/Final Heater Special_poland_norm.texture 0  
7 hungary 
68 unit_models/AttachmentSets/Final Heater Special_hungary_diff.texture 
68 unit_models/AttachmentSets/Final Heater Special_hungary_norm.texture 0  
1 
5 Horse 
13 MTW2_HR_Lance 
13 MTW2_HR_Sword 2 
21 MTW2_HR_Lance_Primary 
14 fs_test_shield 2 
18 MTW2_Sword_Primary 
14 fs_test_shield 
16 -0.090000004 0 0 -0.34999999 0.80000001 0.60000002

Can somebody tell me WHAT actually reffers to the shield the model may use ?? ... I couldn't figure out so far....


Thanks in advance,
Arbaces.

[AliAS]

I m not sure but i think it is problem of "mesh files" .
A making som test with hand gunners. I put them mesh file from armoured sergeant and my hand gunner look like armoured sergant (with spear and shield) but shoot like hand gunner
So i think shield must been edit in mesh file somehow.

[Foz]

Yeah, basically the mesh files contain not only the main body for the character, but also any weapons that the character uses. I'm told that CA of course designs them separately, but irreversibly links them as part of the mesh-building process to form the meshes that ship with the game. A crew of guys are collaborating as we speak in the Modding Research Wiki forum to crack the .MESH file format, and one application of that will be the ability to modify weapons and shields w/ widely available model editing software.

[KnightErrant]

Yeah, Foz is right. I was looking at armored sergeants last
night in Milkshape and the shield and the spear are part of
the mesh.

[dietre]

once you are looking at the model in milkshape. armored sergeants for example, open the windows and click texture working window.
from there you can remap the shield textures to give your unts a more unique look.

you can also change the shield from a kite shield to anyshield in the game. making sure ofcaorse you can the model.db, have the texture in the right folders and remap the textures. Lots of opertunity here for some realy unique units, just be patient in making em work.

also i am bugging grumpy alot (although i know he loves it) LOL. to help me out more in understanding this tool and uv remaping. (im almost there) once i get a totaly unique character created i'll post a tutorial on everything involved so everyone can understand this better.