Grand Theft Auto IV (and R* rant)

[Bijo]

Some links:
http://www.rockstargames.com/IV/
http://www.gta4.net/news/index.php
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Theft_Auto_4
http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/action/g...to4/index.html
http://ps3.ign.com/objects/793/793799.html
http://www.gametrailers.com/gamepage.php?id=2924
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You know what I want with GTA4? I want the developers to develop for PC first, and then for console, like it's supposed to be, like in the old days. I've always thought the PC versions weren't as good as the console versions in some regards, mainly control over control settings, gamepad support, bugs, lack of patches, bad porting, etc.

Look at GTA: SA PC... it really is a piece o' ****, and the only patch that came out was a 1.01 that removed some "pornish content" and made some minor updates.

But if you really look at the game, you see how it's flawed. Same old **** over and over. I think R* needs a better act, and stop reusing their old stuff like they've been doing for years now. I actually doubt they can come up with a worthy mind-boggling technically superior GTA4 for the PS3, or 360, let alone the PC.

I say this because in all those years they haven't done much in technical leaps when you regard those GTAs they made, as they were clinging to their old uses, here and there making a little engine upgrade. Now, the time has come to show that they gotta be tough sons o' ******* but whaddaya know? No GTA4's gonna come out, and the reason is that "the install base for the PS3" is too small. A LIE I TELL YOU!

Look at those Liberty City stories and the other one: I was thinking "What the ****???!?" They still reusing that old stuff like cheap bastards? They're STILL NOT DONE MILKING OUT THAT OLD TECHNOLOGY?

Yeah, you got that right: I'm bashing R*. And I do it 'cause they are (almost) superior when it comes to game presentation in sound, in cutscenes with superior acting, superior motion captures, and the likes, but they STILL CANNOT properly take care of the other IMPORTANT GAME ASPECTS (superior graphics, flawless non-frustrating gameplay, no bugs, proper PC gamepad support, etc.).

I think it'll take a long time before GTA4 will come out, 'cause I think (1) they're too busy thinking of ways to milk out the old stuff without too much effort; (2) they are still learning for the PS3; (5) there's no 5, but you can think of some yourself before that, and after it.

If GTA4 will not be a superior and fresh enough game, it's certain that R* has no need to innovate their cool franchise, or it simply cannot.

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So.... and what do you hope to see with GTA4?

[edyzmedieval]

More porn, drugs, alcohol, blood, street fighting, rap music, thugs & grillz & chains....

Seriously, GTA is going downhill. Vice City rocked, SA was ok.

[doc_bean]

2 things:

1. The PC market is getting tiny, even companies like Id and Epic are moving to consoles (or combining), sales for PC games are pretty low and development can be tricky due to all the different hardware out there. Blame piracy, blame the market forces, but ultimately, they're companies and they need to make profit.

2. Rockstar was petitioned by fans to release LCS on the PS2, I heard, they released it for a budget price. It's not their fault people keep buying the same game over and over, people WANT more of the same, at least when it comes to GTA.

[Bijo]

2 things:

1. The PC market is getting tiny, even companies like Id and Epic are moving to consoles (or combining), sales for PC games are pretty low and development can be tricky due to all the different hardware out there. Blame piracy, blame the market forces, but ultimately, they're companies and they need to make profit.

2. Rockstar was petitioned by fans to release LCS on the PS2, I heard, they released it for a budget price. It's not their fault people keep buying the same game over and over, people WANT more of the same, at least when it comes to GTA.

Hmmmm, yes, you might have a point with 1.

Regarding 2, I think "these fans" are too easily entertained, and they aren't critical enough. The core development of GTA has stood still for years and it's time to move on. How can they not get tired of the same old rubbish?

[doc_bean]

Regarding 2, I think "these fans" are too easily entertained, and they aren't critical enough. The core development of GTA has stood still for years and it's time to move on. How can they not get tired of the same old rubbish?

They're 14 ?

[Bijo]

Maybe.

Any case, I've seen enough people who didn't participate in any petition who are old and who are GTA fans who were very happy to see milked out those games coming out.

[Bob the Insane]

Regarding 2, I think "these fans" are too easily entertained, and they aren't critical enough. The core development of GTA has stood still for years and it's time to move on. How can they not get tired of the same old rubbish?

Dude, some people still play tetris...


Heck, I even know a few how play board games, on an actual table!!

[Bijo]

Tetris has nothing to do with this, and board games also. But if you want to include it.... Tetris is not the kind of game to be developed strongly ever since its birth, because it's good the way it is. It's one of those simple games that just hits the spot right away and becomes an instant classic people will be playing in a century (as a matter of speaking). Board games are out of the question totally as they are not video games.

Fact is GTA series are computer video games still seriously being brought out and "worked on", and it's common to develop such video games to be better and better. Fact is GTA's development has stood still for years, and that is an unpleasant fact (at least to a critical mind).

[lars573]

Actually what held back GTA III and it's spin-offs (what R* calls SA and VC) is that they were built for the PS2. Not the Xbox or the PC.

[Navaros]

The numbering in the OP and thread title is way off, which leads to confusion.

Vice City was GTA IV.

SA was GTA V.

This thread is asking about GTA VI, yet that's not what it says.

As for what I'd want in GTA VI, I'd want a deep story, deep characters, and deep gameplay. Ie: make it exactly like Mafia was, which in my view did the GTA-esque format a million times better than GTA ever did. But that probably won't sell as much as dumbed-down GTA-formula games do, so no chance of that happening.

[Geoffrey S]

If Rockstar call their game GTA IV, then that's probably what we should be calling it too.

[Talbot]

Vice City and San Andreas were still GTA3, reason being it they used the same engine.

The new one will be GTA4.

[The Foolish Horseman]

Cant wait for Gta 4


Cant wait for the trailer to come out this month for it.

Also it would be cool if they released in DX10 (direct x 10 n00bs) which is vista-only. As i am getting it in a couple of months to coincide with its release, it would make it more worthwhile.

[Bob the Insane]

Yeah... back to the roots I say...

I want my GTA in 2d... Top down view with the biggest sprites on earth!!!

Progress sucks!!!

Seriously, despite owning a 360 I am a PC gamer at heart (the 360 is my first console, my first PC was a 286 10MHz with 1MB Ram and a 20MB HD, VGA anyone? Adlib sound card )...

Have you seen Saints Row on the 360? If GTA4 looks like that or a little better (and way bigger) I will be happy...

[lars573]

Some links:
http://www.rockstargames.com/IV/
http://www.gta4.net/news/index.php
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Theft_Auto_4
http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/action/g...to4/index.html
http://ps3.ign.com/objects/793/793799.html
http://www.gametrailers.com/gamepage.php?id=2924
_________________

You know what I want with GTA4? I want the developers to develop for PC first, and then for console, like it's supposed to be, like in the old days. I've always thought the PC versions weren't as good as the console versions in some regards, mainly control over control settings, gamepad support, bugs, lack of patches, bad porting, etc.

Look at GTA: SA PC... it really is a piece o' ****, and the only patch that came out was a 1.01 that removed some "pornish content" and made some minor updates.

But if you really look at the game, you see how it's flawed. Same old **** over and over. I think R* needs a better act, and stop reusing their old stuff like they've been doing for years now. I actually doubt they can come up with a worthy mind-boggling technically superior GTA4 for the PS3, or 360, let alone the PC.

I say this because in all those years they haven't done much in technical leaps when you regard those GTAs they made, as they were clinging to their old uses, here and there making a little engine upgrade. Now, the time has come to show that they gotta be tough sons o' ******* but whaddaya know? No GTA4's gonna come out, and the reason is that "the install base for the PS3" is too small. A LIE I TELL YOU!

Look at those Liberty City stories and the other one: I was thinking "What the ****???!?" They still reusing that old stuff like cheap bastards? They're STILL NOT DONE MILKING OUT THAT OLD TECHNOLOGY?

Yeah, you got that right: I'm bashing R*. And I do it 'cause they are (almost) superior when it comes to game presentation in sound, in cutscenes with superior acting, superior motion captures, and the likes, but they STILL CANNOT properly take care of the other IMPORTANT GAME ASPECTS (superior graphics, flawless non-frustrating gameplay, no bugs, proper PC gamepad support, etc.).

I think it'll take a long time before GTA4 will come out, 'cause I think (1) they're too busy thinking of ways to milk out the old stuff without too much effort; (2) they are still learning for the PS3; (5) there's no 5, but you can think of some yourself before that, and after it.

If GTA4 will not be a superior and fresh enough game, it's certain that R* has no need to innovate their cool franchise, or it simply cannot.

[/rant]

So.... and what do you hope to see with GTA4?

Wow! So many assumptions. GTAIV is being developed as an Xbox timed exclusive (which means the 360 version first others later). The Xbox has a very similar comfiguartion to a PC, and it's being done with some new engine. Unreal 3 I think. That said very few games are going to be developed for the PC first ever again. Being as it's so small.