The Carthage Challenge thread!

**Favre** · 03-18-2007, 18:26

My spring break is in 2 weeks so it may be a while

**Xtiaan72** · 03-18-2007, 20:53

I just want some suggestions for some recruiting limitations. We shouldn't be running around fighting Romans with Elite stacks at the beginning of the game.

Does anyone have some suggestion about how to phase recruitment for certain units with actual dates in the game? Not overkill so there is too much to remember. Maybe just some dates to wait for recruitment for certain units?

I want the Carthie challege to rely on Mercenaries too. How about a ratio. Like for every Carthie in an army you need a merc as well. To make it more realistic. Any suggestions on this?

**cyberVIP** · 03-19-2007, 08:17

Hi Komrades
Some coins:
1. Let Romanii take Messana&Lilibeo and(?) Corsica&Sardinia (238bc/sell?) to simulate defeat in the 1st Punic War.
don`t use elite troops against Romanii this time
2. Build iberian Empire for Barcid child and win the 2nd Punic (Hannibal) war.
It will be more chellenging if romanii will have Polybian legions earlier then 210bc when Hanno will be conquering nothern italy (through alps undoubtly in 218bc).

**Rilder** · 03-19-2007, 14:04

How about having only 5 units in an army to be citizens and the rest have to be mercs+ local troups.

**Basileus Seleukeia** · 03-19-2007, 14:24

Hmmm... wonder were Numahr is...
Well, for army limitations I would suggest to use poeni citizen militia only when they were historicaly used: If there was dire need for them. I don't think you should loose to much thougts over limitations, because the only real good medium and heavy units Carthage gets are mercenarys or local troops, whether Iberians, Samnites, Greek hoplites and so on. Well, and Sacred Band Inf. and Cav. is clear: 1, Max 2 units. Perhaps if the empire becomes really big (Spain, Italy, perhaps Greece or Egypt) then you should consider 1 unit of both for every of these ''big colonies'', as I call them, just to let them be some kind of bodyguard for the local Governor and a few very loyal guys in case that this governor may try to form his own empire...
Well, if you expand that far, you should consider some military or administrational reforms. Such as forming standing forces and perhaps a change to monarchy (well, the fact is, Carthage is ruled by fat, rich merchants who only think of profit, if carthage extends over huge amounts of land you will need one strong Shophet to rule who does the best for the nation, not for his pocket) But just some suggestions to not get bored until I finally can lay my hand on Numahr's promising spreadsheet.

**Pharnakes** · 03-19-2007, 16:17

Hi guys, seeing as you are all Qarthadastim fans I thought I would post this here. I have decided to try and get an E.B. PBeM campaign running and I think I will do it for the Qarthadastim. Please check my thread out, its over at the main E.B. forum (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=81540). As it says there I am up for some fairly strict house rules and I thought some of you guys might like to join in. If you would please post there or P.M. me.

**Xtiaan72** · 03-19-2007, 23:11

1. Let Romanii take Messana&Lilibeo and(?) Corsica&Sardinia (238bc/sell?) to simulate defeat in the 1st Punic War.
don`t use elite troops against Romanii this time
2. Build iberian Empire for Barcid child and win the 2nd Punic (Hannibal) war.
It will be more chellenging if romanii will have Polybian legions earlier then 210bc when Hanno will be conquering nothern italy (through alps undoubtly in 218bc).

I like these ideas

Especially the idea that the first invasion of Romani should be overland via Iberia. I think we should add that Rome itself can only be attacked after all other Rome provinces are conquered ( to simulate Carthage reluctance to siege the city)