Communism/Theocracy?

[lars573]

Given those choices, communist. Not even a contest.

[King Henry V]

I'd pick Iran over the USSR any day of the week. Sure, in both freedoms are limited, but in Iran you do have a limited democracy, even though that normally means that you can only choose between conservative and very conservative candidates. Besides, what is a communist regime other than an atheist theocracy?

[TevashSzat]

Communist definately since the odds are it will either collapse into a republic/democracy or sustain itself and turn out to be a more captialist socliast government liek China

[Blodrast]

Well, I've already tried one of them, so I'd give theocracy a shot, just to see if it can outdo communism.

[Lord Winter]

I'll take my chances with theocracy, at theast then you have some personal freedom in what job you do and the amount of money you can earn.

[Ironside]

Whatever that's least oppressive and that's impossible to say without further information. Both can be quite relaxed and very oppressive.

I'd pick Iran over the USSR any day of the week. Sure, in both freedoms are limited, but in Iran you do have a limited democracy, even though that normally means that you can only choose between conservative and very conservative candidates. Besides, what is a communist regime other than an atheist theocracy?

I'll rise with Talibans and Cuba. See the problem?

[Navaros]

Theocracy is awesome. The world would be a much better place if every country was a theocracy.

[HoreTore]

Theocracy is awesome. The world would be a much better place if every country was a theocracy.

Unfortunately, there are some idiots in the world who actually believes this...

There is a theocratic party here in Norway actually, and their arguments are scary to say the least. And what they're trying to achieve is basically a cross between the taliban and iran...

Ie, stone anyone having sex, kill the infidels, destroy freedom of speech(how can anyone be allowed to blaspheme against god?!?) etc etc...

Fortunately, they only have the support of themselves, so they are just cute little muppets in my opinion

"You can have freedom without communism, but you can never have communism without freedom". True words in my opinion...

[AntiochusIII]

Theocracy is awesome. The world would be a much better place if every country was a theocracy.

God-King Navaros?

This is actually a hard question; but I think Ice's focus on the redistribution of wealth isn't exactly on the right spot.

By examples in reality, the "redistribution" part happens only during the revolutionary phase, which in any case usually implies that the society was so desperately sick that some bastards -- like the damnable Russian nobles -- really deserved to be "redistributed" (in a poetic sense, anyway; hear that, Katerina "the Great?"). After that, all hail the Party, the Leader, and his Rich Men.

If we are to look at the same extreme for Theocracy, though, I think I'd be more worried for this one. They rise so easily and maintain themselves easier because they don't merely propagandize for the brain, they propagandize to control the soul. God says so is certainly more effective in controlling the masses than the Leader who died a few months ago used to say so.

PJ: I think fascism is a very strange ideology that cannot be applied to real life in any "good" fashion. You see, it is an aggressive appeal to the most macho and masochistic of our essence. Violence, expansion, control, an external enemy, national glory, moral superiority, domination...

Just about the worst choice, really. The communist and theocratic regimes tend to have their occasional reigns of terror; fascism is a perpetual one.

They usually maintain a haphazard quasi-monopoly economy where the Very Very Rich Men supports the government in exchange for economic monopoly.

HoreTore: I don't believe the communist regimes Ice is talking about scores very well on the Freedom Meter, personally. And I'm a blasphemous damn liberal intent on destroying America for many on the right, too. You see, he requires an example of what happened in real life, in which the philosophies of Marx, Engel, or Bakunin are never really implemented in any effective fashion. If it's the ideal utopia then even I will go for theocracy. Why? -- ideally, there's a God! All hail immortality! *plots to overthrow God*

[Kanamori]

I'd like to think I'd do well moving up the bureaucratic ladder. Get some special privileges, keep the peasants down... all in a day's work.

[Meneldil]

I'd like to think I'd do well moving up the bureaucratic ladder. Get some special privileges, keep the peasants down... all in a day's work.

Seconded. Until the Father of the Nation decide that I'm moving up way to fast for him, and sends me to some 'Re-education camp', where I'll learn the true meaning of comradship and work.

[HoreTore]

HoreTore: I don't believe the communist regimes Ice is talking about scores very well on the Freedom Meter, personally. And I'm a blasphemous damn liberal intent on destroying America for many on the right, too. You see, he requires an example of what happened in real life, in which the philosophies of Marx, Engel, or Bakunin are never really implemented in any effective fashion. If it's the ideal utopia then even I will go for theocracy. Why? -- ideally, there's a God! All hail immortality! *plots to overthrow God*

Yes, I agree completely with that. None of the communist countries so far has even come close to something remotely called freedom... I hope it won't turn out the same way in Venezuela though. If Chavez can pull it off and create a truly free country...

Anyway, I blame Stalin.

As for the "utopian theocracy", well, it will depend on the god in question... I will fight the gods of islam, christianity and judaism to the death, there is no way I will obey such an evil creature...

[Strike For The South]

I'd spend my time trying to topple both

[King Henry V]

Anyway, I blame Stalin.

Do not blame him; rather blame Man's inherent greed and thirst for power.

[PanzerJaeger]

PJ: I think fascism is a very strange ideology that cannot be applied to real life in any "good" fashion. You see, it is an aggressive appeal to the most macho and masochistic of our essence. Violence, expansion, control, an external enemy, national glory, moral superiority, domination...

Just about the worst choice, really. The communist and theocratic regimes tend to have their occasional reigns of terror; fascism is a perpetual one.

They usually maintain a haphazard quasi-monopoly economy where the Very Very Rich Men supports the government in exchange for economic monopoly.

Fascism - done well - takes the best elements of all the major ideologies.

It is just important that there is a clear methodology in selecting the leadership. That's where things went wrong in the '30s. :)

[AntiochusIII]

Fascism - done well - takes the best elements of all the major ideologies.

If you please -- can you expand on that?