Global Warning?Not true?

[TevashSzat]

Adrian- My reference to Holocaust Denial was just thought of in a sec and I could see how it may be irrelevant, but I wanted to point out how refutations of global warming may seem very convincing to those who are not extremely well versed in science and do not know that much about the history of the debates.

Philipvs - What most enviormentalist and those who want to reduce man made emissions, is not to put us back to the stone age, but merely increase standards. Take the Kyoto Protocol, it doesn't say that all cars must not emit greenhouse gases and the buring of oil and coal must stop, but that emissions must be reduced. Many top energy executives and President Bush just ignored it saying that it costs too much. The truth is it will cost much to fix global warming once it becomes serious. What costs more? Taking high blood pressure and heart disease medicine every day or have a serious heart attack and end up in a coma for several months or having emergency surgery?

[Adrian II]

Adrian- My reference to Holocaust Denial was just thought of in a sec and I could see how it may be irrelevant, but I wanted to point out how refutations of global warming may seem very convincing to those who are not extremely well versed in science and do not know that much about the history of the debates.

Fair enough.

However, this works both ways. Various claims about man-made global warming also appeal to less-informed people, and for all sorts of extraneous reasons.

[Gawain of Orkeny]

Oh yeah.
What benefits?Yes, your sons and grandsons wont have a place where to live, because rains will make the zone inhabitable.

Thanks for proving my point. Wht do you think were in the nidst of such a population surge? Why do you think we can produce so much food? Its because of global warming. Go back to the miniice age and see how it affected people. Just because it gets worse for people in ine region dosent mean it wont be better in other regions. No one here including scientists can predict any of this stufff with any certaintity. If it werent for global warming what would Europe look like? Most would still be under galciers as would most of north america. The earth and its land as sea masses will change drasticly and theres nothing we can do about it. Man is obsessed nowdays with his own power. In reality he has very little when it comes to suchthings.

I think yes

I think not and that your very naive to believe so. We are no more than a parasite that the earth will shake off when its damn good and ready. We may be able to destroy human life on earth but the earth will go on with no concern for us anymore than it did for the dinosaurs.Again I m far more afraid of gettting hit by an asteriod than the earth going to pot because of global warming. Anyway most scientists agree golbal warming will bring on global cooling. Whats all the bru haha?

[Caius]

Why do you think we can produce so much food?

Sorry, but I live in a farmer country(If you dont know, i will tell you im from argentina), and the global warning didnt helped us.Now, its killing us.The last year, im my zone, 8 milimeters of rain in 6 months...and this year, there are too many rains.The provinces of Formosa, Jujuy and Chaco are flooded.

[Gawain of Orkeny]

Sorry, but I live in a farmer country(If you dont know, i will tell you im from argentina), and the global warning didnt helped us

How do you know? And what global warming are you speaking of?

its killing us.The last year, im my zone, 8 milimeters of rain in 6 months...and this year, there are too many rains.The provinces of Formosa, Jujuy and Chaco are flooded.

And of course you can prove this is from man made global warming.

Again western man is responsible for all thats wrong with the world.

[Sjakihata]

Again western man is responsible for all thats wrong with the world.

Almost true. You forget their gods. The western man and his gods are responsible for all that's wrong with the world.

Better, definitely better.

[Grey_Fox]

Like it or not most pollution is done by the western man. You can't deny that fact.

[Gawain of Orkeny]

Almost true. You forget their gods

Oh no here we go of topic. And Mohamed is better? Thats right hes not a god even the easterners worship the western god i guess if you believe their rehtoric.

[Lord Winter]

Like it or not most pollution is done by the western man. You can't deny that fact.

I am not sure about that, China and India aren't bound by the same limitations as many western countries because their classifed as developing countrys. In fact china sends clouds of polution over to the states.


Kind of an interesting article. If something needs to be done, it should be bringing china under the same limits as western countries. They're a bigger problem then the U.S.
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(CBS) In this CBS News World WeatherWatch report Correspondent Barry Petersen tells us why when China smokes, you might get a cough.
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It is easy to see the pollution problem in an industrial city like Yinchuan in northwestern China but it is hard to realize this is typical across the world's most populated country.

The culprit is sulfur dioxide from coal, which is burned for everything from making electricity to cooking dinner. China produces twice the sulfur dioxide as America does, and by some estimates China may one day generate five times more than what we see today.

That's why just breathing is making Dr. Jiang's patients sick. He knows of only one cure, and it's not medicine.

The best cure is to leave for the countryside, he says.

If China's air pollution seems like a problem just for that country, think again. The stuff spewing out in China has now been detected in the United States, and some suspect it's beginning to affect the U.S. climate.

In California, Professor Tom Cahill tracks pollution across the Pacific, and a lot of what he sees these days comes from China.

"And these things...are coming from manmade sources in China, and laced in those materials are things like arsenic, lead and zinc," Cahill says.


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China's far-reaching dust and soot cloud traveling to the West Coast hits Hawaii first, and that may be why temperatures in Hawaii are rising.

A lot of early-computer modeling of Chinese pollution's effects on the global climate is turning out to be just plain wrong. This is why a massive new study with ground and air monitoring across Asia starts next year.

"We don't really know what the Chinese aerosol does. If it's full of soot, then it may actually heat the Earth. So until we know a better number on what those things are, we can't even do the calculations," Cahill says.

China is trying to clean up its air, but for the moment the pollution is changing the weather, experts say. Some blame it for the worst flooding that China has seen in its recent history - taking 4,000 lives.

For China and America, it's going to get a lot worse before it gets better.

[Slyspy]

How do you know? And what global warming are you speaking of?



And of course you can prove this is from man made global warming.

Again western man is responsible for all thats wrong with the world.

You claimed that global warming improved crop yields, he pointed out that this is not necessarily the case.

Strange how everyone becomes an expert when typing on the internet.

[Gawain of Orkeny]

You claimed that global warming improved crop yields, he pointed out that this is not necessarily the case

For the most part it is or do you think you get more plant growth in the cold? Just as global warming doesnt mean the earth will become uninhabitable. Its global warming that accounts for the abundance of food today.

Strange how everyone becomes an expert when typing on the internet.

It only takes common sense. No expertise is needed.

[Ironside]

For the most part it is or do you think you get more plant growth in the cold? Just as global warming doesnt mean the earth will become uninhabitable. Its global warming that accounts for the abundance of food today.

The problem is the transitionary state were we get "environmental refugees" (and the people that doesn't move but are forced to adapt quickly into new conditions) and that it takes a few centuries to get high quality soil over vast areas.
To put it differently, the worlds food production will go down for a few decades before the new adoptations makes it possible to get good harvests in new areas, when encountering a global temperature rise.

[Slyspy]

For the most part it is or do you think you get more plant growth in the cold? Just as global warming doesnt mean the earth will become uninhabitable. Its global warming that accounts for the abundance of food today.



It only takes common sense. No expertise is needed.

It isn't just about hot or cold though is it? What about rainfall. Excessive rainfall can destroy crops faster than it can make deserts fertile.

Also don't you suspect that intensive farming, the use of pesticides, global transport systems and so on have anything to do with food production and availability?

[Tuuvi]

Sorry, but I live in a farmer country(If you dont know, i will tell you im from argentina), and the global warning didnt helped us.Now, its killing us.The last year, im my zone, 8 milimeters of rain in 6 months...and this year, there are too many rains.The provinces of Formosa, Jujuy and Chaco are flooded.

Just as one cold winter doesn't disprove global warming, neither does one particularly wet year prove global warming. If I understand it correctly, global warming isn't something that goes BOOM and is all of a sudden there, it is a gradual process. If it floods for 10 years in a row when before flooding was rare, then something is changing. If it floods a few times and then stops, then that is just normal weather patterns.

[John86]

Throughout history we've had various cycles of extreme hot/cold without the exisistence of mass man-made interference.

Nothing to see here, folks.

[ShadeHonestus]

Edit by Ser Clegane: no trolling, please!