Global Warning?Not true?

[Slyspy]

How do you know? And what global warming are you speaking of?



And of course you can prove this is from man made global warming.

Again western man is responsible for all thats wrong with the world.

You claimed that global warming improved crop yields, he pointed out that this is not necessarily the case.

Strange how everyone becomes an expert when typing on the internet.

[Gawain of Orkeny]

You claimed that global warming improved crop yields, he pointed out that this is not necessarily the case

For the most part it is or do you think you get more plant growth in the cold? Just as global warming doesnt mean the earth will become uninhabitable. Its global warming that accounts for the abundance of food today.

Strange how everyone becomes an expert when typing on the internet.

It only takes common sense. No expertise is needed.

[Tuuvi]

Sorry, but I live in a farmer country(If you dont know, i will tell you im from argentina), and the global warning didnt helped us.Now, its killing us.The last year, im my zone, 8 milimeters of rain in 6 months...and this year, there are too many rains.The provinces of Formosa, Jujuy and Chaco are flooded.

Just as one cold winter doesn't disprove global warming, neither does one particularly wet year prove global warming. If I understand it correctly, global warming isn't something that goes BOOM and is all of a sudden there, it is a gradual process. If it floods for 10 years in a row when before flooding was rare, then something is changing. If it floods a few times and then stops, then that is just normal weather patterns.

[John86]

Throughout history we've had various cycles of extreme hot/cold without the exisistence of mass man-made interference.

Nothing to see here, folks.

[Ironside]

For the most part it is or do you think you get more plant growth in the cold? Just as global warming doesnt mean the earth will become uninhabitable. Its global warming that accounts for the abundance of food today.

The problem is the transitionary state were we get "environmental refugees" (and the people that doesn't move but are forced to adapt quickly into new conditions) and that it takes a few centuries to get high quality soil over vast areas.
To put it differently, the worlds food production will go down for a few decades before the new adoptations makes it possible to get good harvests in new areas, when encountering a global temperature rise.

[Gawain of Orkeny]

The problem is the transitionary state were we get "environmental refugees" (and the people that doesn't move but are forced to adapt quickly into new conditions) and that it takes a few centuries to get high quality soil over vast areas.
To put it differently, the worlds food production will go down for a few decades before the new adoptations makes it possible to get good harvests in new areas, when encountering a global temperature rise

So it has been since the dawn of man. Your point?

[ShadeHonestus]

Edit by Ser Clegane: no trolling, please!

[Ironside]

So it has been since the dawn of man. Your point?

That if things go nasty atleast 50 million Mexicans will come accross the border. And they won't stay in Texas.

[Gawain of Orkeny]

That if things go nasty atleast 50 million Mexicans will come accross the border. And they won't stay in Texas.

Their already here

[caravel]

A thread on global warming somehow transforms into a thread on mexican immigrants, give me bovine flatulence at least...

Crop yields and even the variety of crops available to grow would improve in certain regions due to global warming though this would probably be more than negated by lesser crop yields in the resulting drought regions.

[Slyspy]

For the most part it is or do you think you get more plant growth in the cold? Just as global warming doesnt mean the earth will become uninhabitable. Its global warming that accounts for the abundance of food today.



It only takes common sense. No expertise is needed.

It isn't just about hot or cold though is it? What about rainfall. Excessive rainfall can destroy crops faster than it can make deserts fertile.

Also don't you suspect that intensive farming, the use of pesticides, global transport systems and so on have anything to do with food production and availability?

[Xiahou]

I have heard of the documentary and will try to get a copy or organise a screening in The Neds.

Look no further, you can see it here.

It's pretty well done from what I've seen. No doubt it has its own share of propaganda in it, like Gore's film- but I think it would serve as a nice balance to the poor school kids being forced to watch Gore's film in classes in the US. At least it lets them know there are two sides to the debate.

Also, here's a response to the responses posted earlier.... he attempts to address the charges levied by critics. You decide for yourself.

The idea that global warming is a mere 'swindle' calculated to 'destroy jobs' defies belief, though. Just more rhetoric, methinks.

I think the argument is more that 'Global Warming' has become a lucrative industry for many involved and that people are dependent on it for their livelihoods and have vested interests in it, than its goal is to destroy jobs.

[Adrian II]

Look no further, you can see it here.

Thanx!

[Ironside]

A thread on global warming somehow transforms into a thread on mexican immigrants, give me bovine flatulence at least...

Well, Gawain had a breif period were he kept insisting on posting about the loss of the white people (aka blue eyed blondes in this case), due to interbreeding.

From what I gathered it had more to do with the loss of hot blonde chicks than with some dubious ideologies about human superiority sitting in the skin colour (not an issue for Gawain if blue eyes and blonde hair was dominant genes that is), the problem was that the articles he linked had some unwanted connections...

And as he seems to be running with the principle of:
"Men have died in disasters from the beginning of time, and each new frontier has brought new ways and new places to die. Why should the future be different?"
I was trying a point were he might care a bit more on, althuogh as the subject was a bit touchy I might have been a bit too vague on it.
Complains about the future Canadian grain prices might also work.

Edit: Cookie for the person who can figure out were I took the quote from (re-written a bit)

[Gawain of Orkeny]

Well, Gawain had a breif period were he kept insisting on posting about the loss of the white people (aka blue eyed blondes in this case), due to interbreeding

Are you calling me a Nazi? Because I never said any suchthing. Nice distortion.

It isn't just about hot or cold though is it? What about rainfall. Excessive rainfall can destroy crops faster than it can make deserts fertile.

No its not about excessive rain fall no matter how hard they keep trying to hand you that crap. Weve been experiencing global warming for how long now? Im more afraid it will end. Where you all get the idea that man can manage the earths climate is beyond me. Better we figure out how to adapt than try to mess with it. The cure could be worse than the disease.

I think the argument is more that 'Global Warming' has become a lucrative industry for many involved and that people are dependent on it for their livelihoods and have vested interests in it, than its goal is to destroy jobs.

Exactly . Its like in the old days when alchemists claimed they could make gold.

[Caius]

It isn't just about hot or cold though is it? What about rainfall. Excessive rainfall can destroy crops faster than it can make deserts fertile.

Its all.Its a cycle we cant stop.

[Ironside]

Are you calling me a Nazi? Because I never said any suchthing. Nice distortion.

No, I'm not calling you a Nazi. Unless you call personal preference on the looks of people a la "babe thread" style to be Nazi behavour.

It was a while since the threads were posted (rapidly closed iirc as the orignal articles had bad connections), so I might remember wrong on the person.

If thats the case then I apologize.

"Mutters something about "stupid brain" and wonder's who it was then"

[doc_bean]

The cure could be worse than the disease.

The cure would involve limiting our impact impact on the environment, i don't see how that can make things get worse

[Gawain of Orkeny]

The cure would involve limiting our impact impact on the environment, i don't see how that can make things get worse

No the cure is further messing with the enviorment. A task scientists are poorly equipped for Im afraid. Its like letting a veternarian perform brain surgury on you.

[Kralizec]

No the cure is further messing with the enviorment. A task scientists are poorly equipped for Im afraid. Its like letting a veternarian perform brain surgury on you.

What kind of fantasy scenario is that? The cure would be a stop of economic growth, or even diminishment, if that's what it takes to prevent expulsion of greenhouse gasses. CO2 levels would decrease as plant life absorbs it and produce oxygen without human intervention. For the record, I don't favour such a "cure".

[Gawain of Orkeny]

What kind of fantasy scenario is that?

Its no fantasy. Weve done it in the past. Importing prdeators to eliminate unwanted pest species and then being over run by the predators. These scientists are clueless on this matter yet speak as thought theve talked to god. Already there are signs were messing up the enviorment by trying to control these things Dont mess with mother nature or she will hurt you. Its one thing to stop polutants and poisons from entering our air ans water. Its another thing entirley to go calling CO2 and water vapor poisonous. Yes you inhale too much water and you will die. It must be a poison