Subterfuge issue

**caravel** · 03-17-2007, 18:31

Thanks for the replay Omanes

In the campaign I had been playing before the "agent found" messages were appearing regularly, and in this campaign I haven't seen even one yet, despite having some decent spies in all of my settlements keeping an eye on things. So far the enemy spies have arrived in Numantia about six times. They could all be in the city though public order is not that low. There is also a Germanic spy just standing there slightly south of Lugdunum. He has been in and out of there once and no notification has appeared. Am I missing something?

**Omanes Alexandrapolites** · 03-17-2007, 18:37

Hi again Caravel,
I don't think you could be missing anything, yet, perhaps the problem could be that the spies are actually leaving your settlement's of their own accord, through the AI's orders, rather than being forced out by your own spies and soilders?

**caravel** · 03-17-2007, 18:58

So what you're saying is that in this campaign my spies are simply a crowd of useless lazy boozed up fools, and the rival faction spies are simply walking in and out of my cities at will and totally unchallenged?

**Caius** · 03-17-2007, 20:44

Well, the ruler of the Gauls can be bad finding enemies.

/grabs the coat

Well, check if you got troops and fmaily members in those settlements

**caravel** · 03-17-2007, 21:33

Well the spy was in and out a few more times, and has finally been caught, which showed the "agent detected" message. After that I'm seeing a lot more "agent detected" messages elsewhere. Strange.

I've just had a nice CTD as well. Basically I'd mobilised a large force (not really large enough) and attacked the Senate. There were armies of the Scipii and Brutii nearby also, but they didn't assist the Senate at all. Anyway, I won the second battle, the first I lost but it cost them dearly, and had them under siege. The next turn they sally forth and attack assisted by another army they have in the field. The result was their total defeat. So the battle ends and I return to campaign map and am given the usual options. I choose to exterminate the populace, because I'm feeling particularly vengeful. The romans have been giving me hell for years, the Julii I have already wiped out, the Scipii and Brutii I have weakened badly. The former are restricted to Sardinia and Sicily only and the latter are in the two provinces to the south and (I think in) have a province or two in the east. Anyway there I was breathing a sigh of relief, thinking no more senate, clicking "exterminate the populace" and... BOOM... gone!!?? Desktop... No sign of my glorious troops occupying Rome, but only the .org open in my browser. So disgusted was I that started the game up again, loaded an autosave and autoalced the battles, which I still won, but with much heavier losses! About three "epic" battles for nothing. Anyone seen this type of CTD before?

**Omanes Alexandrapolites** · 03-17-2007, 21:55

Yep, it's a common and regular nasty bug. It seems to randomly occur with no apparent conditions on the capture of Rome and the destruction of the Senate faction. I have received it five times in the past after capturing Rome and wiping out the senate. However, other than what I have specified I am sorry to say that I have no idea what causes it. Sorry.