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**Derfasciti** · 03-17-2007, 22:35

Probably a really dumb question but, what does it mean when Piety, and such are blank? You'd think there'd be something there...

**seireikhaan** · 03-17-2007, 22:48

Well, I always assumed that if any stat was zero then it was even worse than one. So, like when it says that someone w/ one piety is an ignorant unbeliever, then zero would be something like "this person is a heathen" or something like that.

**caravel** · 03-17-2007, 23:38

It is 0 or negative, if the is a negative that is. For example if you have a 1 piety general with a vice that gives -3 piety, his piety would be -2. Of course it may be ineffectual but there are other "off the scale" stats, I think influence and loyalty are examples of this, so it may be true.

**Caerfanan** · 03-19-2007, 15:42

Originally Posted by Caravel

It is 0 or negative, if the is a negative that is. For example if you have a 1 piety general with a vice that gives -3 piety, his piety would be -2. Of course it may be ineffectual but there are other "off the scale" stats, I think influence and loyalty are examples of this, so it may be true.

You think that the stats can be negative having an effect? (I mean apart from asking for more bonuses to go back to at least 1), like a negative command stat giving valour maluses?

**caravel** · 03-19-2007, 16:24

Well no, what I'm saying is that there may be negative stats, in fact I'm pretty sure there are but they are probably treated as 0 by the game. For 10+ stats I'm pretty sure they exist, but I can't be certain. I have read about influence and loyalty stats being off the scale in the past. It may be that the game simply treats them as a 9. For command it's maxes out at 9 and loops back to 0 again. In STW you could have negative command, though I'm not too sure on the maximum nor what the limits were the limits either way.

**Deus ret.** · 03-19-2007, 16:49

Originally Posted by Caravel

For command it's maxes out at 9 and loops back to 0 again.

Yes, very funny once such a Prince comes of age: his unit has 5 valour (from the alleged 10 stars) but doesn't provide any bonus for the remaining troops. Fortunately he isn't considered the general of a given stack!

**Caerfanan** · 03-20-2007, 20:17

Originally Posted by Caravel

Well no, what I'm saying is that there may be negative stats, in fact I'm pretty sure there are but they are probably treated as 0 by the game. For 10+ stats I'm pretty sure they exist, but I can't be certain. I have read about influence and loyalty stats being off the scale in the past. It may be that the game simply treats them as a 9. For command it's maxes out at 9 and loops back to 0 again. In STW you could have negative command, though I'm not too sure on the maximum nor what the limits were the limits either way.

So a 9 stars general with good attacker virtue commands his attacking army at.. 0 command?

**Martok** · 03-20-2007, 00:14

I'm quite certain that the wraparound effect does cause stats to reset themselves to 0. I *know* it does for piety and acumen, so this most likely happens with the other stats as well.

Originally Posted by Caravel

It is 0 or negative, if the is a negative that is. For example if you have a 1 piety general with a vice that gives -3 piety, his piety would be -2. Of course it may be ineffectual but there are other "off the scale" stats, I think influence and loyalty are examples of this, so it may be true.

Just to clarify: In this example, the general's piety actually *is* 1. Otherwise, he would be at 4 piety were it not for the aforementioned vice. A general displays his actual, "real-time" stats, factoring in the character's various vices & virtues.