Re: Watchman's take on units (and sundry) for EB with BI.exe
Ah yes, of course, sorry. Forgot about the Testudonever play as Romans, and I tend to crush them before they get it...
Does the shield wall give more protection from aerial attacks (in the front)? Units I use the shieldwall on in my campaign are too low levelled to notice, but is it better? I was thinking that the testudo was some evoluated and disciplined form of the 'ordinary' levy shield wall to protect against arrows...
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Re: Watchman's take on units (and sundry) for EB with BI.exe
Well, most of the units that were given the shieldwall have pretty decent Shield scores to begin with and I doubt if the formation particularly hurts, anymore than the phalanx does. I always avoid shooting at such units' shielded sides anyway so I can't say I knew if there was a major difference though.
Lugoae and the like still seem to hurt from precursor javelins, but whether it's more or less than what they'd suffer outside the shieldwall I haven't the foggiest about.
One advantage I can see the Testudo having is that it seems to have shields on about all sides (maybe not the rear though), so it avoids the flank-fire vulnerability issue densely packed formations have. 'Course, I understand units in Testudo are also in serious trouble if engaged in melee so...
It was a siege-assault approach formation after all.
Last edited by Watchman; 04-07-2007 at 17:36.
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Re: Watchman's take on units (and sundry) for EB with BI.exe
Yeah, in a real battle the testudoe has limted uses, but in a seige it's good for attacking fire away from vuneraable units.
Re: Watchman's take on units (and sundry) for EB with BI.exe
...handy for fighting eastern armies, especially horse archers!Originally Posted by alatar
Re: Watchman's take on units (and sundry) for EB with BI.exe
Question for Watchman..Do you also add shiltrom and berserker abilities to certain units in your modified EDU??..If not will you be in a form of an update?
Re: Watchman's take on units (and sundry) for EB with BI.exe
The schiltrom is in my experience largely useless anyway, and berserk I was never too fond of. Warcry does the job well enough IMO. So, no.
But of course you're free to further modify your download and add them to whichever units you see fit - all it requires is finding the unit entry in the EDU and some typing.
As for updates, I just now learned what exactly the vanilla EB "can form shieldwall" thingy meant - namely, a clever tweak of the unit's formation line that quite simply uses a tighter formation for the second setting, rather than looser which is what you normally get from clicking the "loose order" button. Learning this immediately made me wonder if I should redo the whole damn thing all over again, as the BI shieldwall does have some issues, and it'd let certain barbarian units combine warcry and "locked shields". Plus I've noticed a few random oversights here and there which vaguely annoy me and I could fix at the same time - I'm a bit perfectionist about my work that way.
I just kinda wonder if the tactical AI can actually use the EB shieldwall thingy. With suitable formation files (I use these, myself - speaking of which I should probably ask Thorlof if I could integrate them into the next version of this thing...) it does use the BI shieldwall at least, if not necessarily well.
Opinions ? Should I redo the EDU at least and take the BI shieldwall off at least some of the units that have the EB tight secondary formation, especially some of the barbarians who could then get the warcry instead ? Or would people prefer the BI one as it now is ?
"Let us remember that there are multiple theories of Intelligent Design. I and many others around the world are of the strong belief that the universe was created by a Flying Spaghetti Monster. --- Proof of the existence of the FSM, if needed, can be found in the recent uptick of global warming, earthquakes, hurricanes, and other natural disasters. Apparently His Pastaness is to be worshipped in full pirate regalia. The decline in worldwide pirate population over the past 200 years directly corresponds with the increase in global temperature. Here is a graph to illustrate the point."
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Re: Watchman's take on units (and sundry) for EB with BI.exe
Thanks for the quick response Watchman. Just downloaded your files and now looking thru them. Specifically the EDU. I'm about to start a campaign using the BI.exe and needed an EDU that took advantage of the BI.exe. When i found your thread here in the Unofficial Modding Projects. Thank god too..I thought i would have to edit my whole EDU myselfI wanted the EDU to pretty much stay the same as the .81a EDU with just the added BI.exe abilities and maybe an alteration here or there but nothing too drastic stat wise that would in all likelihood thow the game out of wack from a balance perspective. I'm too lazy and didn't want to do this myself..Thankfully i found your work.
As for redoing your EDU based on what you just now found out in vanilla EB..
I say yes...Especially if your just gonna do it for the barbarians who could then get the warcry instead. Just leave the Hoplites alone.
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