Faction List for EB2?

[Caratacos]

Also, just out of curiosity, if you wanted to recreate the world in, say, 272 BC totally accurately historically (so including India, Japan, all of Africa [I assume] etc.), with all the provinces that existed and all factions with all units (that you know of, obviously) and alliances on a Total: War skeleton, how many (more) provinces, units and factions would you need?

In other words, what faction etc. caps would be sufficient to fully recreate the world in 272 BC?

Dude are you serious? Do you know how much work would go into answering that question accurately?

A LOT .

How about we say 2-3 times that currently in EB. Give or take. Off the top of my head. Approximately. Without doing any research. A guesstimate. I'd assume. Sort of. Maybe.

[Sir Edward]

PS

I think you should make Kingdoms a requirement for EB2, so that you can take advantage of all available features of M2. I mean, let's face it, just about everyone who has RTW has BI, right?

Well I can't speak for everyone, but I never saw the reason to get BI; magical monks, swimming armies, and fire lit battles weren't enticing enough for me to fork over my dollars. These just seemed like eye candy from CA and no real substance or addition to strategy of the game. Though if half of the stuff will work that CA is saying in press releases, I think that EB2 should be built for Kingdoms.

[I Am Herenow]

Well I can't speak for everyone, but I never saw the reason to get BI; magical monks, swimming armies, and fire lit battles weren't enticing enough for me to fork over my dollars. These just seemed like eye candy from CA and no real substance or addition to strategy of the game.

*shrug* I like it - Beserkers are hilarious lol

Also, Hordes and Horde armies was a nice touch

[Foot]

Dude are you serious? Do you know how much work would go into answering that question accurately?

A LOT .

How about we say 2-3 times that currently in EB. Give or take. Off the top of my head. Approximately. Without doing any research. A guesstimate. I'd assume. Sort of. Maybe.

I would go for 100x what we currently have avaliable in EB, and that is a truly bad guestimate. Basically more than any current computer could run.

Foot

[Tellos Athenaios]

Think of the script...

What, you didn't even wait till the day was out and you already start complaining?!! Why, it's not unusual for our dev computers to require a full week (!) before everything is loaded up and running... Patience my dear, patience... a good deal of it.

[Wolfman]

I have a question. Will the Aquitani possibly be represented in the near future

[Teleklos Archelaou]

Well we wouldn't tell you if it was, but we might tell you if it wasn't. So it's probably better for us not to say anything. We're not giving away what the new factions will be yet guys! C'mon! Aitolia you guys that nabataea'll know what the factions are In di' end. (that's fun, anyone want to try more of those! )

[Centurio Nixalsverdrus]

Well we wouldn't tell you if it was, but we might tell you if it wasn't. So it's probably better for us not to say anything. We're not giving away what the new factions will be yet guys! C'mon! Aitolia you guys that nabataea'll know what the factions are In di' end. (that's fun, anyone want to try more of those! )

So Aitolia, Nabataea and India will be in? Or will certainly not be in?

[Teleklos Archelaou]

So Aitolia, Nabataea and India will be in? Or will certainly not be in?

I certainly never said that. While you may find A Key In interpreting my comments by looking at certain words carefully, that still is no definite answer. We have picked a few already and some more are less conkrete in our minds, but it's hillyriaous to think we'd tell everyone what they are now.

[Redmeth]

Illyria too I see... and Krete?
There may be some misleading going on here...

[Laundreu]

And the Bosporan Kingdom. Celts, Samartians, Hellenes...what's not to love?

Edit: In fact, I think it would be more fun for we non-initiates to make cases for a faction to be included, rather than try to guess whether it will be already. Certainly it'd be a change of pace for the EB staff!

[Centurio Nixalsverdrus]

I certainly never said that. While you may find A Key In interpreting my comments by looking at certain words carefully, that still is no definite answer. We have picked a few already and some more are less conkrete in our minds, but it's hillyriaous to think we'd tell everyone what they are now.

Yes, Sir. I would never think the EB team could be foolish enough to reveal anything about such top secret issues. No way, Sir.

[Teleklos Archelaou]

Seriously though, what I squeezed in above has absolutely no correlation to what is going to be in EB2. Just some harmless fun. I'll try not do to it any meroe.

[I Am Herenow]

Ooh, the suspense is killing me!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meroe

[Roman_Man#3]

That is very sly of you TA. I saw Achean.

Keep up the good work you guys, cannot wait until EB2.
RM3

[Beefy187]

dont know if you already said this but..
India would be really cool to play as

[paullus]

In fact, I think it would be more fun for we non-initiates to make cases for a faction to be included, rather than try to guess whether it will be already. Certainly it'd be a change of pace for the EB staff!

That would be a change of pace! I'd encourage any of y'all to do that sort of thing, it'll keep TA from puning faction names (I hope) and perhaps educate other forum readers and help us decide which factions to look into!

[I Am Herenow]

Could we have Eleutheroi and Rebels separate in EB2, so people (like me :D) don't confuse the two?

i.e. Eleutheroi control settlements not owned by any other faction and represent minor kingdoms, tribes etc. and can have their own, normal (but perhaps small) navies. Rebels will take a city when it revolts, be non-aggressive (unlike Eleutheroi), and spawn marauding armies/pirate fleets. Eleutheroi can attack Rebels, everyone is at war with both all the time, and neither faction is listed in the Diplomacy thing.

Sound good?

[Foot]

Could we have Eleutheroi and Rebels separate in EB2, so people (like me :D) don't confuse the two?

i.e. Eleutheroi control settlements not owned by any other faction and represent minor kingdoms, tribes etc. and can have their own, normal (but perhaps small) navies. Rebels will take a city when it revolts, be non-aggressive (unlike Eleutheroi), and spawn marauding armies/pirate fleets. Eleutheroi can attack Rebels, everyone is at war with both all the time, and neither faction is listed in the Diplomacy thing.

Sound good?

That is impossible. The slave faction in RTW is unique, and we wouldn't be able to make to versions of it. There is no possibility of doing as you propose. Even if we were, it is highly unlikely we would. It would mean sacrificing a faction slot, which we would rather spend on a proper faction. I don't find it confusing it all, as regards the eleutheroi. A rebellion in EB is not led by a load of rebels, but by the independent elements within a province who wish to throw of foreign rule and rule themselves. They are as much eleutheroi as starting eleutheroi cities.

Foot

[geala]

I have a very modest wish:

A faction in nowadays Ireland, I like that area.

And please let them go barefoot!!

[Geoffrey S]

I'd be quite surprised if the Goidilic tribes weren't to make it in, so you may get your wish.

[neoiq5719]

Is there a link where i can read what this EB2 will be about?
thx

[pansoiatr]

1.Aitolean league (although would propably be the same as the koinon)
2.Syracuse
3.Massalia (nice exotic choise of greek-celtic units)
4.Spanish faction
5.Numidians
6.Indian faction

[edyzmedieval]

Massylia is in the north of Africa, they will barely have Hellenes or Keltoi units, except as mercs.

Some of the new factions are really interesting. I really like the ....... because it makes it really hard for the surrounding factions. Enemies will pour from everywhere, and it will make it a very compelling experience, and strategy/tactics will surely help.

Trust me, EB2 will be really good.

[Ludens]

Is there a link where i can read what this EB2 will be about?
thx

EB 2 will be EB 1 for M2:TW. That's pretty much all we know about it currently.

[keravnos]

Seriously though, what I squeezed in above has absolutely no correlation to what is going to be in EB2. Just some harmless fun. I'll try not do to it any meroe.

Teleklos. BASTA. Aren't you ashamed? I qin understand what you say, but people might not. Besides, this is Europa Barbarorum, not India one. At this rate of mentioning factions, we just might have aria t in our hands.

[neoiq5719]

EB 2 will be EB 1 for M2:TW. That's pretty much all we know about it currently.

so if it will be the same , why doing it all over again? the engine is different, the map or what? why go thru this to have the same? EB is just about perfect.

[Juvenal]

I think there may be a case for giving the Eleutheroi a proper faction slot.

In RTW the AI seems to prioritize Slave faction territories as targets. This leads for instance to the Romani neglecting the Epirotes and going off conquering to the Baltic coast.

If this is still the case in M2TW, then giving the Eleutheroi a faction slot should knock this behavior on the head. It might also make the Eleutheroi more active and interesting.

Another solution might be to add the middle european Boii as a faction.

[Foot]

I think there may be a case for giving the Eleutheroi a proper faction slot.

In RTW the AI seems to prioritize Slave faction territories as targets. This leads for instance to the Romani neglecting the Epirotes and going off conquering to the Baltic coast.

If this is still the case in M2TW, then giving the Eleutheroi a faction slot should knock this behavior on the head. It might also make the Eleutheroi more active and interesting.

That wouldn't work as the slave faction slot is remarkably different from any other faction slot. It is outside of the diplomacy section for example. The reason that factions go for the Eleutheroi is because of the diplomacy section in descr_strat, you can change it if you want.

Foot

[LorDBulA]

so if it will be the same , why doing it all over again? the engine is different, the map or what? why go thru this to have the same? EB is just about perfect.

Well because M2TW engine is much superior to RTW. It will let us do things that RTW didnt allow us to do.
If everything goes well EB2 has a chance to be many times better then EB1.
EB1 almost completely exsoustet RTW potential. We pushed RTW as far as it was possible ( and I can bet more then CA thought it was possible ) , but its just not enough.
We think that M2TW will let us represent EB timeframe much more real then RTW. And this is what EB is about.