Faction List for EB2?

[edyzmedieval]

Massylia is in the north of Africa, they will barely have Hellenes or Keltoi units, except as mercs.

Some of the new factions are really interesting. I really like the ....... because it makes it really hard for the surrounding factions. Enemies will pour from everywhere, and it will make it a very compelling experience, and strategy/tactics will surely help.

Trust me, EB2 will be really good.

[Centurio Nixalsverdrus]

Massylia is in the north of Africa, they will barely have Hellenes or Keltoi units, except as mercs.

He talked of Massalia or Massilia, which is today known as Marseille. And Marseille is situated in southern France, although some people might say it's a mauretanian town nowadays...

[Pawl ap Hywel]

I would love to see some of the following factions make EB2:

1)Errain/Goidils (Why: they could contest with the Casse for the supremicy of the Brittish Isles)
2)Qin (or Han) Chinese Dynasty (hopefully the East will be included) (Why: because this period in particular is when massive trade came out of China and they began expanding westward into the Tarim Basin and chasing out/killing the Yeuzhi/Tocharians)
3)Mauryan Indian Dynasty (Why: They had strong ties with the Selucids, including an alliance and promotion of intermarriage)
4)Yeuzhi/Tocharians (Why: Were and Indo-European people (with a culture and language very simmilar to the Celts) that inhabited the first regions that the Silk Road came into out of China, and were chased out of their region into Bactrea by the Chinese)
5)Numidia (Why: Resons previously said by others)
6)Chatti (Why: To contest with the Germani)
7) Illyrians (Why: To contest with the Eporiate and Getai)
8)Roxolani (or another Steppe tribe) (Why: To contest with Sarmatians)
9)Cetlibeians (Why: To give the Iberian peninsula another faction that the Lusotanan and Punics can contend against/be contended by)
10)Pergamum (or Crete) (Why: To have another new Hellenistic Faction that would be more powerful than all other candidates after the death of Alexander)

[SaFe]

I would love to see some of the following factions make EB2:

6)Chatti (Why: To contest with the Germani)

The Chatti are germanic people too and would differ only slightly from the Suebians(Sweboz)
Better choice would be the germanic Gutanoz or Gotanoz (early gothic tribe in Scandia)

[-Praetor-]

The Chatti are germanic people too and would differ only slightly from the Suebians(Sweboz)
Better choice would be the germanic Gutanoz or Gotanoz (early gothic tribe in Scandia)

Why? To fill the void of the baltic area?

In that case, better the Lugii, they would be on a good position to expand virtually on every direction, not to mention the differences in culture.

[SaFe]

Why? To fill the void of the baltic area?

In that case, better the Lugii, they would be on a good position to expand virtually on every direction.

Not only of gameplay reasons, but because of their religion differed from their southern germanic bethren and they would also give the area a nice change up there.

Concerning the Lugii:
What were they really?
Celts?
Germanics?
A mix?

Well at least 100 BC we could name them germanics for sure, but before?
EB will start around 270 BC again, so for the Lugii we have to decide which group they belong to, as it it very unrealistic to change them midway ingame.

And there are enough celtic factions for sure belonging in EB2
Aedui, Averni, Celt-Iberians, Galatians, Casse, Goidilics, etc...

[Sarcasm]

And there are enough celtic factions for sure belonging in EB2
Aedui, Averni, Celt-Iberians, Galatians, Casse, Goidilics, etc...

Celtiberians aren't Celts and neither are the Goidilis. They speak a form of celtic and have celtic elements in them but they're not full-blown celts. A few of your Germans could be said to have almost the same ammount of Celtic influence.

[Centurio Nixalsverdrus]

Why? To fill the void of the baltic area?

In that case, better the Lugii, they would be on a good position to expand virtually on every direction, not to mention the differences in culture.

Another celt-like faction? We already have Casse, Aedui, Averni. We possibly get Goidils and Belgae. And some think the Boii... So I think another germanic tribe would be very appropiate. I second SaFe for the Goths or Bastarnae, or Cheruski. I think it would be very nice to have to germanic factions rival for hegemony in Germania, as the AA-Celts do in Gaul.

[SaFe]

Another celt-like faction? We already have Casse, Aedui, Averni. We possibly get Goidils and Belgae. And some think the Boii... So I think another germanic tribe would be very appropiate. I second SaFe for the Goths or Bastarnae, or Cheruski. I think it would be very nice to have to germanic factions rival for hegemony in Germania, as the AA-Celts do in Gaul.

I'm totally against the Bastarnae. They changed their germanic lifestyle much too early to be called germanic for the EB-timeframe.
Concerning the Heruskoz (Cherusci) - as well as the Hattoz (Chatti) they were rather similar to the Sweboz (Suebi) to gain a faction slot for themselves.
If we want a slightly other germanic faction we should go with the Gutanoz (Gothi) or perhaps the Kimbroz (Cimbri).

[Foot]

2)Qin (or Han) Chinese Dynasty (hopefully the East will be included) (Why: because this period in particular is when massive trade came out of China and they began expanding westward into the Tarim Basin and chasing out/killing the Yeuzhi/Tocharians)
3)Mauryan Indian Dynasty (Why: They had strong ties with the Selucids, including an alliance and promotion of intermarriage)
4)Yeuzhi/Tocharians (Why: Were and Indo-European people (with a culture and language very simmilar to the Celts) that inhabited the first regions that the Silk Road came into out of China, and were chased out of their region into Bactrea by the Chinese)

We won't be expanding our map. MTW2 only allows 198 provinces, compared to RTWs 199 (so we even have to lose one). Both the Chinese and the Indians are far out of our designated area.

The Yeuzhi were dropped because they do not appear at the beginning of our game, in 272, they appear much later. We have already decided against emerging factions, we want all our factions to be fully playable.

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[Redmeth]

We have already decided against emerging factions, we want all our factions to be fully playable.

Foot

You guys are an avatar of ambition and perseverence thank you for doing so much in order to give people an accurate portray of history and all its great factions.
Regarding the time needed for EB2 do you have some sort of system for improving the textures on existing units and quicken their transition in EB2?
Or most of the work will have to start from scratch?

[Foot]

You guys are an avatar of ambition and perseverence thank you for doing so much in order to give people an accurate portray of history and all its great factions.
Regarding the time needed for EB2 do you have some sort of system for improving the textures on existing units and quicken their transition in EB2?
Or most of the work will have to start from scratch?

We'll probably start by just converting all our current models into MTW2 models without any changes. This will allow us to work on the game and playtest the results properly. Over time we will slowly replace the old non-MTW2 models (low detail etc) that we converted directly from our RTW models, into full, working MTW2 models with 1024 textures etc.

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[Casuir]

We won't be expanding our map. MTW2 only allows 198 provinces, compared to RTWs 199 (so we even have to lose one). Both the Chinese and the Indians are far out of our designated area.

I donyt know where you got this region limit from but its wrong, the limit is the exact same as rtw.

[LorDBulA]

Yea its the same but You have 2 sea regions while in RTW You had only 1.
So You can have one less land region. At least this is what guys editing M2TW are saying.
But its like nothing compared to other options that where added.

[Casuir]

You can still have 199 with just 1 sea region. The hardcoded limits in the wiki forum was never updated to reflect that discovery, it has been now.

[CaesarAugustus]

We won't be expanding our map. MTW2 only allows 198 provinces, compared to RTWs 199 (so we even have to lose one). Both the Chinese and the Indians are far out of our designated area.

Not Gandhara, which was one of the four Mauryan satrapies that made up the Mauryan empire.

[Foot]

Not Gandhara, which was one of the four Mauryan satrapies that made up the Mauryan empire.

I knew someone would pick me up on that. Yes we do have three indian provinces on the EB map, but it is debatable whether it would be worth even putting Gandhara in. Of course there are some plus-sides, such as they would finally rebel to someone proper, but there may be some other more deserving factions as we would not be able to simulate Gandhara's relationship to the Mauryan empire. This is the kind of stuff us EBers have to argue over, it is very taxing.

Foot

[Gaelic Rebel]

I really hope there's a Goidilic faction!

[edyzmedieval]

He talked of Massalia or Massilia, which is today known as Marseille. And Marseille is situated in southern France, although some people might say it's a mauretanian town nowadays...

This is what happens when you have one of the first LCD's in the world... Really, I typed that from a very bad LCD, and the characters are weird.

Yes, Massalia is in France. Might be an option, but AFAIK, I don't know if they were such a big kingdom at the start of EB. Correct me if I am wrong.

Would you be so kind to confirm that Alexander777 was correct in his assumptions only once? ;-)

No.
"Occultus". Understand a bunch of tired Hetairoi.

Scythia wasn't as powerful in those times, as the Sauromatae closely took their place.

Siracuse - well, they have access to the Sicilians mercs, and they will also have mercenary Romani troops, just in the north.

[Laundreu]

Well, I don't think it could be the Goidils, as to properly show Ireland during the time you'd probably want to split the island up into four provinces, instead of the current two. Which is too bad; they'd get some reforms of their own, possibly triggered by conquest of the Iberian north and western coasts - keep in mind, South Ireland, parts of what would be Wales and Cornwall, Armorica, and parts of North and West Iberia were all very closely related culturally and probably politically. A full-grown Goidelic Empire would be a coastal, naval one - which would also be fascinating.

[roxanne]

Here are my thoughts about necessary factions for EB2

sorry i am just fishing the facts in my unreliabe brain ;-)

1. attalids/pergamon was a remarkable kingdom, gained independence from the seleucid and was allied to rome (which inherit the kingdom later on)... they had the second biggest library in the 'antique'
   
2. galatia was always a problem in central minor asia (the attalids were able to defeat them) also there is the letter to the galatian by paulus!
   
3. bythnia a small but wealthy kingdom north to the attalids and west to pontus
   
4. etruscan rome's opponent to the north (though i am not sure if they fit into the time period given)
   
5. illyria one of those tribe who where able to launch raids to the italian penisuela and 'forced' rome to conquer the adrian coast
   
6. syracuse just to mighty to be left out, also i like to recall that they called for roman help against carthage?
   
7. an iberian faction to give rome a harder time in north/east iberia which was a wealthy area but hard to control

for the sake of gameplay:

• faction east to sweboz, north of getai, west to sauromatae
• numidia - opponent to carthage in africa
• indian faction
• tracia - like in vanilla
• split sparta and athene
• crete - the island was a basis for piracy, rome put an end to that by conquering crete
• cyrene

further factions in great briton or the belgae do not make sense the focus of the time period at hand is alexanders empire and the mediterraen sea

[Foot]

further factions in great briton or the belgae do not make sense the focus of the time period at hand is alexanders empire and the mediterraen sea

only for those from that part of the world. Obviously the majority of literature is on this massive event, but it doesn't mean that there were not other equally important events going on elsewhere. We do not look at the world from a Roman or hellenic view of the world, rather we try to identify major players in the different areas of the world, and we view all areas equally. The mediterranean is no more important for the people who lived there than the far distant steppe of the wilds of northern britain.

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[Laundreu]

further factions in great briton or the belgae do not make sense the focus of the time period at hand is alexanders empire and the mediterraen sea

Incorrect, sir; the focus of the writers of the time was primarily on the Hellenistic and Mediterranean world, yes...because the writers were invariably Hellenic or Roman writers. I wonder what biases will be inherent in their works~?

[roxanne]

sure roman and hellenic writers will focus on their part of the world (like the travel guide to the seven wonders)... but if you examine our roots it is the greek mythology, the bible and roman law and these are origined in the mediterrean... also the map is restricted to the known area to greek and roman historians... nonetheless as eb allows for a different version of history to be written, potential tribes capable of altering the outcome of events should be included... i do think they are mostly located around the mediterrean and not to be found in 'ireland' (no offence intended)... the 'germans', a bunch of tribes which could be abstracted by one, same to briton, two tribes in the steppe should be fine, celtic civs... but don't get me wrong i believe whatever factions will be in eb2 will be there for a good reason where-ever they are located...

thanks for a great game

[Teleklos Archelaou]

It's my personal opinion that with seven new factions we complete the list of all factions that truly fit in our designs for EB1. The other three look to me to be gravy. There is a point where you get all of the ones that *must* be included given our parameters and then you have maybe 10-15 more that really are about equal. We still haven't decided on half of them, but we're close to having seven picked and finalized. I'm excited about doing some work on the new factions, and did a little family tree stuff on one of them today. Can't wait for those guys to get the map finalized and ported as the first step.

[kalkwerk]

Actually I have no problem with Syracuse, Pergamon, Numidia and so on being rebels from the start out. What Id like to see would be emerging factions: Numidia could be that, appearing under certain circumstances, roman rebels, cimbri, perhaps pergamon, chatti and so on.