Faction List for EB2?

**Visarion** · 11-12-2009, 19:26

What about the Odrysian kingdom, a union of Thracian tribes that endured between the 5th century BC and the 3rd century BC. Where was I thinking... that's before the timeline... my mistake!

**Cyclops** · 11-12-2009, 22:57

Is the faction list panning out "by the numbers"? There was an earlier posy about the likely factions being linked to units in EB1 9yes I know the unit roster has been revamped, but it was a guide to the areas EB team members felt worthy of development and representation).

We have added Pergamum, Numidia and now Bosphorans. The latter two were foreshadowed by having significant units or suites of units in EB1 (just missing the cut because of the faction limit).

That criterion might get Indian and Ethiopian factions in, but its been explained that the culture limit sinks this

.

Spots that have a suite of units almost amounting to a faction roster: Iran (as opposed to those Turanian Parthians) Thrace (including Gallo-Thrace), Iberia and Galatia. I guess Galatians are out, becuase they were not politically active in the EB era and turn up as mercs in the right faction rosters. There's a slim case for a couple of Iberian factions and/or Odrysians, and maybe a "persian successor" state.

Spots that have iconic factional units: Taras, Syracuse, Massillia, Bastarnae, Boii, Alpine Gauls. The last 3 have more "playability" in some ways, because they might be miore than one province and they might not be hemmed in on all sides by hostile giants. The possibility of another midnight isles faction looms: we know they were there, jusy nmot exactly who they were.

I only wish for a fish so juicy sweet, and a Mauryan chariot BG. What i'll get is a pretty good faction list

**hekk** · 11-13-2009, 00:50

Originally Posted by Cyclops

I guess Galatians are out, becuase they were not politically active in the EB era

I don't think thats quite correct, infact i think that in EB's period is only a few years away from the first days that the Gauls stepped on land of Galatia, and by this time I think they were allied with the Bithynians and also had some conflicts with the Seleukids.

So I don't think they should be dismissed now as of now.

**Bloody Sacha** · 11-13-2009, 02:44

Originally Posted by hekk

I don't think thats quite correct, infact i think that in EB's period is only a few years away from the first days that the Gauls stepped on land of Galatia, and by this time I think they were allied with the Bithynians and also had some conflicts with the Seleukids.

So I don't think they should be dismissed now as of now.

You are absolutely correct. The Trocmi, Tolistobogii and Volcae Tectosages led by Leonorius and Loutorius land in Anatolia in 278BC. Imported by Nicomedes I of Bithynia fallowing their successful siege of Byzantion and the hellespont in general (many of these land gains may have been reversed by Antigonas Gonatas.) Though Leonorius and Loutorius fall from the pages of history during this time the Celts pillage Anatolia prompting Antiochus I "The Savior" to engage them in battle. Where the Galatai are defeated. Though I'm not familiar with the peace terms it's clear that they where made before 274 as Antiochus' attentions immediately shifted to Ptolemy. Conversely its possible that the radical successes of Ptolemy negated the affects of Galatia’s peace terms with the Seleucids.

Whatever the case is Galatia is firmly established as a political entity as of 272 BC. With clear world objectives in and out of Asia. The remaining questions are
1 Byzantion may very possibly still be a tribute paying state of Leonorius and Loutorius’ Galatians. Whether this means that they are a type 3 government or just flat out paid a large sum of cash I can not verify.
2. What is the exact manner of the relationship between the Volcae Tectosages, dominant shareholders of the Galatian tetrarchy and their brethren in Tolosa.
3. How close politically are the Galatians to Comontorios of Tylis and Bathanatos of the Scordisci.

EDIT::
If anyone has answers to the questions I’ve posed or otherwise objects id like to know. There seem to be a few unfortunate blank spaces, particularly regarding the fates of Leonorius and Loutorius.

**Brennus** · 11-22-2009, 20:06

Has anyone suggested the Bastarnae? The Celtic-German-Thracian mix would make for an interesting unit roster plus it would help with balancing out the Sweboz expansion in the area. If people are looking for a faction to help fill the gap in Eastern Europe the Bastarnae would probably make a suitable choice.

**Phalanx300** · 11-22-2009, 23:11

An far eastern Germanic faction would be great, though I hope we will see more factions in Germania because just 1 faction there doesn't do the area justice.

**Brennus** · 11-22-2009, 23:36

Originally Posted by Phalanx300

An far eastern Germanic faction would be great, though I hope we will see more factions in Germania because just 1 faction there doesn't do the area justice.

Not only does it not do it justice but it maked the Gallic campaigns almost unplayable (I may just be a bad player

) a faction is definatly needed to balance out the Northern Europe play of power. Of course the danger is that by including another German faction the Sweboz campaign simply mirrors the Aedui/Averni campaign. Really looking forward to the possibility of there being another "barbarian" faction!