Faction List for EB2?

[Bloody Sacha]

I don't think thats quite correct, infact i think that in EB's period is only a few years away from the first days that the Gauls stepped on land of Galatia, and by this time I think they were allied with the Bithynians and also had some conflicts with the Seleukids.

So I don't think they should be dismissed now as of now.

You are absolutely correct. The Trocmi, Tolistobogii and Volcae Tectosages led by Leonorius and Loutorius land in Anatolia in 278BC. Imported by Nicomedes I of Bithynia fallowing their successful siege of Byzantion and the hellespont in general (many of these land gains may have been reversed by Antigonas Gonatas.) Though Leonorius and Loutorius fall from the pages of history during this time the Celts pillage Anatolia prompting Antiochus I "The Savior" to engage them in battle. Where the Galatai are defeated. Though I'm not familiar with the peace terms it's clear that they where made before 274 as Antiochus' attentions immediately shifted to Ptolemy. Conversely its possible that the radical successes of Ptolemy negated the affects of Galatia’s peace terms with the Seleucids.

Whatever the case is Galatia is firmly established as a political entity as of 272 BC. With clear world objectives in and out of Asia. The remaining questions are
1 Byzantion may very possibly still be a tribute paying state of Leonorius and Loutorius’ Galatians. Whether this means that they are a type 3 government or just flat out paid a large sum of cash I can not verify.
2. What is the exact manner of the relationship between the Volcae Tectosages, dominant shareholders of the Galatian tetrarchy and their brethren in Tolosa.
3. How close politically are the Galatians to Comontorios of Tylis and Bathanatos of the Scordisci.

EDIT::
If anyone has answers to the questions I’ve posed or otherwise objects id like to know. There seem to be a few unfortunate blank spaces, particularly regarding the fates of Leonorius and Loutorius.

[Brennus]

Has anyone suggested the Bastarnae? The Celtic-German-Thracian mix would make for an interesting unit roster plus it would help with balancing out the Sweboz expansion in the area. If people are looking for a faction to help fill the gap in Eastern Europe the Bastarnae would probably make a suitable choice.

[Phalanx300]

An far eastern Germanic faction would be great, though I hope we will see more factions in Germania because just 1 faction there doesn't do the area justice.

[Brennus]

An far eastern Germanic faction would be great, though I hope we will see more factions in Germania because just 1 faction there doesn't do the area justice.

Not only does it not do it justice but it maked the Gallic campaigns almost unplayable (I may just be a bad player) a faction is definatly needed to balance out the Northern Europe play of power. Of course the danger is that by including another German faction the Sweboz campaign simply mirrors the Aedui/Averni campaign. Really looking forward to the possibility of there being another "barbarian" faction!

[Phalanx300]

Not only does it not do it justice but it maked the Gallic campaigns almost unplayable (I may just be a bad player) a faction is definatly needed to balance out the Northern Europe play of power. Of course the danger is that by including another German faction the Sweboz campaign simply mirrors the Aedui/Averni campaign. Really looking forward to the possibility of there being another "barbarian" faction!

Well I think its an given that the Belgae or an part of the Belgae will be in. And most likely there will be some at least some other like Celt-Iberians, Boii and another Germanic faction.

[Moros]

I think the Xiognu are going to be in! :)

[eddy_purpus]

I think the Xiognu are going to be in! :)

who are dos?
:P

Mongols?


Really :D

tehyre gonna be in EB2 XD?

[HunGeneral]

I think the Xiognu are going to be in! :)

Do you mean the early Huns?

I suspect this is a joke (a good one by the way) ..... or a sarcastic hint on the Sakas/Sauros or another steppe faction?

[bobbin]

I think the Xiognu are going to be in! :)

Nah it's definitely the Yayoi.

[a completely inoffensive name]

Cyrenaica under Magas of Cyrene. Just read the dudes wiki page "(r. 276 - 250 BCE)". I don't care if that seems like the most idiotic reasoning, but i just feel that the EB team would not pass up the chance for such a unique faction.

EDIT: If it turns out I am right, I want everyone in the revealing thread to put in a little praise for me.

EDIT 2: Also, Syracuse because people are guessing that one as a sure thing and I want for this post to be at least half right when it is all said and done.

[Brennus]

I think the Xiognu are going to be in! :)

If the Yuezhi aren't in it the Xiongu definatly won't be, chronologically and topographically its unrealistic. Plus there is the problem of culture, the Xiongu were an Altaic people not Indo-European, you would need a whole new culture slot not to mention new voice mods (for a language which I don't think has any modern descendants).

[Apázlinemjó]

I think the Xiognu are going to be in! :)

And Napoleon with the Grand Armée! I just can't wait to fight the Macedon Phalanx with firearms!

[bobbin]

If the Yuezhi aren't in it the Xiongu definatly won't be, chronologically and topographically its unrealistic. Plus there is the problem of culture, the Xiongu were an Altaic people not Indo-European, you would need a whole new culture slot not to mention new voice mods (for a language which I don't think has any modern descendants).

Either thats the driest sarcasm I've ever heard or you failed to spot the joke of a EB team member suggesting a completely inapropriate faction.

[Moros]

If the Yuezhi aren't in it the Xiongu definatly won't be, chronologically and topographically its unrealistic. Plus there is the problem of culture, the Xiongu were an Altaic people not Indo-European, you would need a whole new culture slot not to mention new voice mods (for a language which I don't think has any modern descendants).

Oh but we merged the east hellenic culture slot with the semitic one, or something I believe. Anyway blast now you guessed that other factions the Yuézhi as well!

[Brennus]

Either thats the driest sarcasm I've ever heard or you failed to spot the joke of a EB team member suggesting a completely inapropriate faction.

You must forgive me, I have been writing about Scythian and Sarmatian culture for the past fortnight and so my mind is a bit frazzled

Well I think its an given that the Belgae or an part of the Belgae will be in. And most likely there will be some at least some other like Celt-Iberians, Boii and another Germanic faction.

Boii seem like strong contenders. My only other worry is putting even more factions around the AS. AS games are hard enough as it is so a powerful Poleis like Pergamum worries me, although you never know it could be a nice buffer to Makedonia.

Full support for a Goidelic or another British faction!

[eddy_purpus]

Oh but we merged the east hellenic culture slot with the semitic one, or something I believe. Anyway blast now you guessed that other factions the Yuézhi as well!

[ziegenpeter]

Full support for a Goidelic or another British faction!

Will you do the research?

[Hax]

I raise you the Tokugawa Shogunate, Moros!

[Brennus]

Will you do the research?

May as well, gonna end up writing about Iron Age Britain and Ireland at some point on my course.

Obviously a Goidelic faction would be extremely difficult to create both from an archaeological perspective (first person to find the Irish Iron Age gets a medal!) and historical perspective but surely a British tribe like the Brigantes would be a feasible thought (just a thought, Im not one of these people who supports a British faction in the same way people have been supporting a Jewish faction), I just wish the Picts had emerged a few hundred years earlier than they did.

[Ludens]

Oh but we merged the east hellenic culture slot with the semitic one, or something I believe. Anyway blast now you guessed that other factions the Yuézhi as well!

I raise you the Tokugawa Shogunate, Moros!

[Taliferno]

Doupt there will be an Irish Faction. It would be based on to many assumptions. The four units in EB1 (with a few changes, primarily to the Nobles, IMO) amply represents Irelands inhabitants.

I would prefer the Brigantes to replace the Casse, and then add in a Belgic faction with one of its objectives being to take over Southern England. I believe that a Belgic faction has been suggested before though, but was turned down/argued against by one of the team members (not enough info at start period).

Someone ought to gather the various team quotes together and start another Lost Art of keeping a secret thread....

[Brennus]

Doupt there will be an Irish Faction. It would be based on to many assumptions. The four units in EB1 (with a few changes, primarily to the Nobles, IMO) amply represents Irelands inhabitants.

Thats true, same would apply for Caledonia as well. I guess one problem with a Belgic faction (apart from a lack of info about the Belgic tribes in 272BC) is that they would probably start the game as Aedui allies (assuming the political system in 58BC had changed little since 272) which could make Averni games much more difficult or alternatively it could work very well by causing trouble for the Sweboz.

Any thoughts on the Veneti (a long shot i know)? Unique naval vessels could make for an interesting campaign.

[athanaric]

Any thoughts on the Veneti (a long shot i know)? Unique naval vessels could make for an interesting campaign.

Well, in EB I the Veneti have only two unique units (like the Chatti). Plus Gaul is pretty crowded already. The idea is interesting, no doubt, but IMO the faction slot should rather be spent on the Boii.

[-Praetor-]

I guess one problem with a Belgic faction (apart from a lack of info about the Belgic tribes in 272BC) is that they would probably start the game as Aedui allies (assuming the political system in 58BC had changed little since 272)

Actually it was the exact opposite. Belgae were in a furious fight with other gallic tribes around the start date of our mod, pushing their way into central Gaul, coming from Germany. Eventually, they were stopped by the Aeduii, and settled into modern day Belgica.

Some time ago a large battle site was discovered in northern France or southern Belgica, with bones and armour pertaining our timeframe, and one perhaps may assume that it was one of the battles of this conflict.

My memory is a bit foggy though, and I might be horribly wrong.

[Taliferno]

Any thoughts on the Veneti (a long shot i know)? Unique naval vessels could make for an interesting campaign.

The Veneti aren't that bad a suggestion. Although they appear to have been a minor faction in gaulish politics (from my brief skimming of the subject) they have the advantage of being expansionist in the British Isles, with Caesar saying they sent for help when he attacked them. Of course we don't know the exact nature of what these colonies were (i.e land conquered from others, or trade outposts that brought enough wealth to the locals they had an interest in sending help to the Veneti, or some other possibility, such as Caesar made it up).

[eddy_purpus]

Actually it was the exact opposite. Belgae were in a furious fight with other gallic tribes around the start date of our mod, pushing their way into central Gaul, coming from Germany. Eventually, they were stopped by the Aeduii, and settled into modern day Belgica.

Some time ago a large battle site was discovered in northern France or southern Belgica, with bones and armour pertaining our timeframe, and one perhaps may assume that it was one of the battles of this conflict.

My memory is a bit foggy though, and I might be horribly wrong.

Either the Belgae...
Or The Boii...


uhhhh I can see me fighting the Sauromatae and Germans at the same time as Boii's

[Brennus]

Well, in EB I the Veneti have only two unique units (like the Chatti). Plus Gaul is pretty crowded already. The idea is interesting, no doubt, but IMO the faction slot should rather be spent on the Boii.

Oh no I agree I would much rather see the Boii than any other Gallic tribe.

[bobbin]

Actually it was the exact opposite. Belgae were in a furious fight with other gallic tribes around the start date of our mod, pushing their way into central Gaul, coming from Germany. Eventually, they were stopped by the Aeduii, and settled into modern day Belgica.

Some time ago a large battle site was discovered in northern France or southern Belgica, with bones and armour pertaining our timeframe, and one perhaps may assume that it was one of the battles of this conflict.

My memory is a bit foggy though, and I might be horribly wrong.

You mean the site at Ribemont-sur-Ancre?
Very big site that dates to right around the EB start date.

A nifty picture of the shrine that was build after the battle

[Blxz]

Oh but we merged the east hellenic culture slot with the semitic one, or something I believe. Anyway blast now you guessed that other factions the Yuézhi as well!

Is that actually true? I really don't get the point of why culture slots are a limitation. Sure the UI is changed, and the city models look different and there are other things tied to culture, but I really don't get why its such a thing that if a faction was needed, you had all the info for them but they were of a totally different culture to the current ones that it would be a problem to just lump them in with something already there. Do people care THAT much about cosmetics that they would erase a historically significant faction?

[oudysseos]

Is that actually true? I really don't get the point of why culture slots are a limitation. Sure the UI is changed, and the city models look different and there are other things tied to culture, but I really don't get why its such a thing that if a faction was needed, you had all the info for them but they were of a totally different culture to the current ones that it would be a problem to just lump them in with something already there. Do people care THAT much about cosmetics that they would erase a historically significant faction?

Well, yes it is kinda a big deal. Family member portraits - do you want a Roman face in your Gallic family tree? Strat map models, cities, UI- they are all part of de-homogenizing the original product. And there are lots of historically significant factions, about which there is plenty of material, that already fit into the culture slots that we have- so why should we go looking outside the parameters? Hell, we could probably do 9 or 10 Celtic factions alone.

Maybe we are...