Dismounted Gothic Knights - Any Use?

**Gith** · 03-19-2007, 16:01

I've loved HRE since my first MTW campaign, but so far I've been a bit frustrated - first by a lack of good city or castle recruitable pikemen (while portugal and spain get aventuros and tercios?!) and now with DGK

What exactly is their use? Maybe I've not just figured it out yet, but it seems to me that feudal knights seem to out perform them, especially considering the cost difference. Is the extra charge and 1 higher attack really worth the 7 less armor and lack of shield?

I haven't done any really heavy testing other than a few quick battles, but vs DEK they lost, vs noble swordsmen they lost significantly (only 2 surviving with about 20 swordsmen left), and they've barely beat feudal knights on a few other occasions, with about 10 remaining.

This was playing Lands to Conquer v. 2.1

Is there a niche they fill really solidly? Am I putting them up against too strong of infantry when they should be used to decimate weaker infantry (militia, etc)?

**Callahan9119** · 03-19-2007, 16:57

arent they cheap and armor piercing? and early units?

**Philbert** · 03-19-2007, 17:19

Ehr, no, no and no.

**Callahan9119** · 03-19-2007, 18:19

your wrong, they pierce armor, are cheaper than feudals yet they are high era units. i'm unsure of upkeep

**Tiberius maximus** · 03-19-2007, 18:53

i use them and all other two-handed weopons behind spearmen for that extra muscle

**Frederick_I_Barbarossa** · 03-19-2007, 19:30

Dismounted = VERY slow and pretty much worthless in the open, though they have some limited effectiveness on top of walls I've found.
Mounted = Nuclear weapons of the pre-gunpowder period