Quote Originally Posted by Del Arroyo
Most countries in the region torture people. The US practices a little bit of fake "torture" and all of a sudden we're the bad guys?

Contrary to sentiment in Western world, Arab outrage over the Abu Ghraib photos is not a response to torture but a response to religious and sexual humiliation of Muslims by an unbelieving foreign power. Look at the motley array of gangs and murderous militias which operate currently in Iraq. Do you think they give two damns about inflicting a little pain?

Many of the techniques employed at Abu Ghraib were patently unwise, but not because they were "torture", and in any case the biggest problem was the photos. Frankly I wouldn't care if we really did shock people's balls, beat them with hoses and pull their fingernails-- as long as we only did it to a small number of people who (a) we were really sure deserved it and (b) had useful information. And regardless of whatever media theories there are as to the effectiveness of torture, any professional will tell you that it works-- when combined with other techniques and sources of information, just like all intel.

As to the specified case-- boo-hoo, he's the enemy, let him rot. "Principle" in war is fungible. If he's not a US citizen and he is among the select few singled out by our best and brightest as having engaged in violent subversive actions against the United States I don't need a fair trial to know that he's guilty.

I hate Dubya by the way-- but I don't let politics corrupt my judgement.
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