Latest Update on patch 1.2

[Odin]

what continually amazes me is that end users rail against an established PC Game practice. You find me a product that has come out bug free in the last 3 years.

You buy a game at release, your beta testing it for them. Pick any game you want, look at thier forums and you will find a section for user reports on issues.

Of the famous "wishlists" or "bug reporting" threads. This is how the industry has progressed, and its progressed that way mainly because consumer purchase the product as is.

Cavaet emptor, the only way to correct this process is to not purchase the game until it is at the "1.2" fix level, believe me its an economic model that drives this process not a blatant anamosity from a developer.

CA Makes fine games that with some tweeks (shield fix) out of the box you can play, a lot of companies are not like that. Additionally anyone who surmises that CA's intent is to harm the customer with late fixes or lack of testing, again dosent understand the economic model at work here.

I hope 1.2 comes out today, I dont want to wait for it. But look at it this way, modding is a direct result of the short coming of this economic model, and if companies did put out bug free games at the start you wouldnt have half the mods you have.

A silver lining can be found in most anything if one looks hard enough.

[Quickening]

All games are released with bugs, yes. But to varying extents. About a month or two ago I bought Europa Universalis 3. Does that have bugs? Yes, but nothing near the degree of M2TW. Sure M2TW is far from the worst case of a bugged game, but it ain't the best case scenario either.

[Odin]

All games are released with bugs, yes. But to varying extents. About a month or two ago I bought Europa Universalis 3. Does that have bugs? Yes, but nothing near the degree of M2TW. Sure M2TW is far from the worst case of a bugged game, but it ain't the best case scenario either.

Conceded. However i have extensive history with Paradox games and thier forums, and there was a time when you could have gone to thier forums and seen literall 10 thousand (total) posts on bugs for thier games.

Paradox is an example of a company who has improved tremendously, but again go back 2-3 years to the old EUII or HOI and under the guise of "support" they put out multiple patches (sometimes versions a,b,c, just to quick fix a patch they just released).

Again the industry is not dicatated by suits in an office, or spectacle wearing programers in a cubical, its dictated by the consumer. Its a very simple economic model, you release a game that works and your consumer base helps you identify the problems.

Your getting paying customers to test your product, why wouldnt you do that? There is only one piece of this equation that can change the current system and that is the consumer.

[Whacker]

Again the industry is not dicatated by suits in an office, or spectacle wearing programers in a cubical, its dictated by the consumer. Its a very simple economic model, you release a game that works and your consumer base helps you identify the problems.

Correction, it IS dictated by suits in their offices, but based on their perceptions of the consumers (usually as given to them by their marketing drones).

Your getting paying customers to test your product, why wouldnt you do that? There is only one piece of this equation that can change the current system and that is the consumer.

Agree completely, the one thing we can fix is ourselves. Vote with your cash, and don't lower your standards or expectations.

BTW Quickening, I kinda figured you were going to get flamed into oblivion on this one. For the record I agree with your asssessment, this one should have stayed in the oven longer, I've gone on to playing other games until further patches come out.

[Odin]

Correction, it IS dictated by suits in their offices, but based on their perceptions of the consumers (usually as given to them by their marketing drones).

it Is dictated by the consumer. The laws of supply and demand are predicated on consumption as a reality not as an anticipated reality. That reality being prior sales of exsisting like product. Suits might be the ones who present the data but the market force that drives economics has and always will be consumption.

BTW Quickening, I kinda figured you were going to get flamed into oblivion on this one. For the record I agree with your asssessment, this one should have stayed in the oven longer, I've gone on to playing other games until further patches come out.

to bad he is being flamed because in an ideal market situation he is right it should have been "cooked" longer. Sadly quickening (along with the rest of us) are the problem, we bought the game before it met our expectations, that is our fault not CA's

[Quickening]

Sadly quickening (along with the rest of us) are the problem, we bought the game before it met our expectations, that is our fault not CA's

This is the first time I was on this forum for the release of a Total War game. I do love the series but for the next Total War installment, I'll wait and see what the people on the .org have to say about it a month or so after release before buying.

[Odin]

This is the first time I was on this forum for the release of a Total War game. I do love the series but for the next Total War installment, I'll wait and see what the people on the .org have to say about it a month or so after release before buying.

Nothing personal man, but this cant be the 1st game you have had this issue with? This is pretty industry standard mate, pick the game at release its got some issues.

I waited until 1.1 until i bought the game knowing that there were issues, but those issues have been addressed in mods (LTC 2.1). So yeah, watch the boards, do your due diligence as a consumer and know the product you are buying.