Latest Update on patch 1.2

**Carl** · 03-23-2007, 23:12

The space taken up will be down to the new animations for 2-handers.

**Whacker** · 03-23-2007, 23:28

So Carl, you're basically trying to imply that this was all a ploy by CA to save on costs by not having to distribute the game on more DVDs then?

**alpaca** · 03-24-2007, 00:52

Nah new animation files would only take a few KB, they just move bones around

Must be something else

**sapi** · 03-24-2007, 01:48

Just think for a moment how much space the unpacked game files take up.

Compare that to a 600mb update and you'll find that, taking compression into account, a whole lot of those files are being changed and/or completely replaced.

I sincerely doubt that the editors take up much room, nor the animations, but even compressed M2TW takes up 7.69gb - 600mb is really nothing when compared to that.

**Whacker** · 03-24-2007, 01:59

Originally Posted by sapi

Compare that to a 600mb update and you'll find that, taking compression into account, a whole lot of those files are being changed and/or completely replaced.

Aaahhh, herein lies the rub. If memory serves, CA's patches simply replace files completely as opposed to patching. Of course I have nothing to base this next bit on and it's pure conjection and assumption, but I bet if they used something like RTPatch or another tool, they could probably cut that 600+ meg way way down to something smaller, something much more palatable for our low-bandwidth users.

**sapi** · 03-24-2007, 02:07

Actually, i prefer it this way - RTPatch has never, and i repeat, never patched any of my games without throwing up errors about missing and changed files, even on a fresh install.

And this way there's compatibility with every version of the game, not just those patched to 1.1

**Whacker** · 03-24-2007, 03:24

Originally Posted by sapi

Actually, i prefer it this way - RTPatch has never, and i repeat, never patched any of my games without throwing up errors about missing and changed files, even on a fresh install.

And this way there's compatibility with every version of the game, not just those patched to 1.1

That's kind of amusing, my experience has been the complete and total opposite. The only times I've ever had problems is when I forgot to re-copy the old .exes back over, as I tend to use nocd patches extensively because I friggin' hate swapping out discs constantly. (I play a lot of games simultaneously. Please note that I do not condone piracy and am referring to games that I have purchased.) RTPatch or whatever is of course going to be slower, but the size saved is often worth it in my view. Perhaps your experiences are from localized game copies and patches that... didn't have as much effort put into them? /shrug

@ JCoyote

Add $150 to the mix for me, 3 of my friends are not buying this game until I give them the nod. Of course this is just two of us speaking, and we shouldn't claim to represent anything beyond ourselves and the people we speak of. But I do agree though, there is an important message here that for every "word of mouth" sale, there are going to be some no-sales as I'll call them.

Edit -

\/\/\/\/\/ Understood, put that in there because it was relevant to the discussion at hand, no more need be said on it. Perhaps you should just move to the states and get the nice shiny non-localized software like there rest of us.

**Caliburn** · 03-24-2007, 02:15

Does anyone know what "Cavalry can now charge a spearman army" means in this context? To my experience, they already can - knights can pretty easily decimate elite spearman armies by charging head on the fully formed and braced infantry (not those pikes etc. of course). Does this mean that they'll actively flank or something?

It's a good thing many of the problems with charging are taken care of, and the list does look promising, especially the faction backstab tweak - this is what we've been waiting for at least from the first MTW, if not earlier.

Not to mention hotseat.

**JCoyote** · 03-24-2007, 03:02

Things should be decent after the patch. This patch should get everything playing the way the sales pitch indicated.

But I haven't played the game since before Valentine's Day, because I was anticipating a patch within a week or so. And I've kept back from playing cause I keep thinking... Well it's just ONE more week. LOL. Silly me.

As far as me having bought it early, I specifically waited til after the first patch to buy so I wouldn't be hit with the biggest bugs. Silly me again.

As far as CA "already having it's money"? Well there's double edged sword there. The edge that cuts Sega is there are over a dozen players I know personally who wanted to buy the game that I have specifically told NOT TO until I can say if the 1.2 patch will fix things so it won't frustrate them. That's $50 in retail sold, that's locked up over $600 in retail til things get ironed out. Some of those people will never get the game after things they've seen on my screen. Sega needs to know this IS costing them sales.